Arizona PPT Question

[dstar01]

Can someone tell me how I go about having a gun transferred from Arizona?

For instance, my friend is getting me a DSA TP9 and will be visiting California within the next week. My question is, since Arizona residents do not have a waiting period, can he just transfer ownership within the next 3-4 days of buying it? Thanks in advance.

[chim-chim7]

Yea, ummm good luck doing that. That would be breaking the law.

[macey109]

I'm going to leave that one alone on sooo many levels. I would recommend looking around the site a bit and get familar with Ca laws BEFORE you do anything.

[Oceanbob]

No....No....No..

Can someone tell me how I go about having a gun transferred from Arizona?

For instance, my friend is getting me a DSA TP9 and will be visiting California within the next week. My question is, since Arizona residents do not have a waiting period, can he just transfer ownership within the next 3-4 days of buying it? Thanks in advance.

That weapon is an assault weapon; not on the approved list..LOL

Even possessing that weapon in California ia a FELONY. Do you want a FELONY on your record that would prevent you from owning any guns for life?

Learn the law before you make a serious mistake..!!!

Your friend cannot bring the weapon into California. Never.

Pretending for a moment that he was bringing a normal handgun that is already on the Approved List. He still couldn't come here and transfer it to you (PPT).

PPT's are between two legal CALIFORNIA RESIDENTS. Weapons (legal) from out of State have to be transfered via FFLs. (Federal Law)

Bob

[tenpercentfirearms]

How about we educate the guy here instead of "not touching this". This is a pretty common question and people need to know.

First, unless your friend is moving into the state, all guns that are transferred into the state must go through a licensed dealer (let's exclude C&R from the discussion). Your friend can only import that gun through a FFL.

Next, the gun he imports in must be on the CA approved list of handguns for sale, exempt from the CA approved list of handguns for sale, or sold to someone exempt from the CA approved list of handguns for sale. That pistol is not on the list and is not exempt in standard configuration.

Finally, the handgun must not be an assault weapon. A handgun has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip is a felony.

So basically, you aren't buying your friends handgun.

Now, you might be tempted to go ahead and just get it anyone. That would be a serious mistake.

First, it is an assault weapon and that is some felony time right there. The gun also looks evil so if any of your guns are going to draw attention, it would be that one right there.

Second, all handguns in the state must be registered unless you lawfully possessed them prior to 1991. The TP9 is clearly not a pre-91 firearm. So if someone sees that handgun, assumes it is an assault weapon, starts asking questions, and then checks to make sure you registered it and it isn't, you are on the hook for that too.

This really isn't directed to the OP as I believe armed with new knowledge the OP is probably not willing to violate the law, but there are plenty of people who like to sneak in handguns from the outside world. This is such a bad idea in my opinion. Because handguns have to be registered and most of the handguns people sneak in are probably here for the purpose of self-defense (at least in their minds), it is such a set up for going to jail. So you end up shooting someone with the Taurus Judge you just had to have and snuck in from your brother in Oklahoma and the first thing they discover is A) it is a short barreled shotgun and B) that it isn't registered, you might get off for the shooting, but they are going to prosecute you for the other crimes.

It just doesn't make sense to a guy like me that only has handguns as a way to defend himself or fight his way to a rifle. If my handguns aren't legit, there is no point in having them.

[ke6guj]

That weapon is an assault weapon; not on the approved list..LOL

Even possessing that weapon in California ia a FELONY. Do you want a FELONY on your record that would prevent you from owning any guns for life?

Learn the law before you make a serious mistake..!!!

Your friend cannot bring the weapon into California. Never.

why is it an AW? I don't see a detachable mag outside the mag well. Nor do I see a threaded barrel (it has a 3-lug end), second handgrip, or barrel shroud.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=1588

Pretending for a moment that he was bringing a normal handgun that is already on the Approved List. He still couldn't come here and transfer it to you (PPT).

which the TP9 would be.

PPT's are between two legal CALIFORNIA RESIDENTS. Weapons (legal) from out of State have to be transfered via FFLs. (Federal Law)

correct.

[wildhawker]

OP, what you described sounds like he's not coming here to reside. As long as the firearm is CA compliant, he should be able to meet you at an FFL and do the transfer.

Nothing in the law precludes a PPT at a California FFL from an out of state seller. Unfortunately, the DROS system is effectively an underground regulation that doesn't allow for what should be a perfectly legal and acceptable transaction.

He'll have to deliver or ship it to a dealer for a regular dealer transfer.

Keep your receipts.

-Brandon

[ke6guj]

unfortunately, it does not appear that the barrel is long enough (150mm=5.9") to make a dimensionally-compliant single-shot pistol, so no roster exemption that way. But, who knows, it might actually measure out at 6.0".

[RTE]

How about we educate the guy here instead of "not touching this". This is a pretty common question and people need to know.

First, unless your friend is moving into the state, all guns that are transferred into the state must go through a licensed dealer (let's exclude C&R from the discussion). Your friend can only import that gun through a FFL.

Next, the gun he imports in must be on the CA approved list of handguns for sale, exempt from the CA approved list of handguns for sale, or sold to someone exempt from the CA approved list of handguns for sale. That pistol is not on the list and is not exempt in standard configuration.

Finally, the handgun must not be an assault weapon. A handgun has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip is a felony.

So basically, you aren't buying your friends handgun.

Now, you might be tempted to go ahead and just get it anyway. That would be a serious mistake.
First, it is an assault weapon and that is some felony time right there. The gun also looks evil so if any of your guns are going to draw attention, it would be that one right there.

Second, all handguns in the state must be registered unless you lawfully possessed them prior to 1991. The TP9 is clearly not a pre-91 firearm. So if someone sees that handgun, assumes it is an assault weapon, starts asking questions, and then checks to make sure you registered it and it isn't, you are on the hook for that too.

This really isn't directed to the OP as I believe armed with new knowledge the OP is probably not willing to violate the law, but there are plenty of people who like to sneak in handguns from the outside world. This is such a bad idea in my opinion. Because handguns have to be registered and most of the handguns people sneak in are probably here for the purpose of self-defense (at least in their minds), it is such a set up for going to jail. So you end up shooting someone with the Taurus Judge you just had to have and snuck in from your brother in Oklahoma and the first thing they discover is A) it is a short barreled shotgun and B) that it isn't registered, you might get off for the shooting, but they are going to prosecute you for the other crimes.

It just doesn't make sense to a guy like me that only has handguns as a way to defend himself or fight his way to a rifle. If my handguns aren't legit, there is no point in having them.

This is 100% the right info
I'd start out by saying DUDE
When your friend goes to fill out the questionaire paperwork in AZ that asks (is this gun for you) knowing he is going to try and sell it to you in a few weeks......He too is breaking the law. (Technically you have to be a prohibited person but you get the idea) If not on the list in CA it's essentially the same thing.
Again DUDE read the laws....skirting them will just land you and maybe your friend in jail.
Not to mention make it harder for me to buy a gun in AZ.

[wildhawker]

If you really want the TP9, and assuming it is not the threaded barrel version, why not ask your friend to make it a single-shot and ship it to your FFL?

[tenpercentfirearms]

I was thinking the TP9 had a magazine well outside the pistol grip. I was mistaken. My apologies. I know it is definitely not on the list. If you could make it into a single shot, then you could DROS it. Good luck.

[ke6guj]

nominal specs on the barrel are 150MM, which is 5.9". so, the barrel would need to be rod'ed to determine the actual legal length, to make sure it was long enough.

[dstar01]

First I would like to thank Tenpercentfirearms for answering the question instead of leaving it alone, you are indeed a valuable member here on calguns.

Also thank you for everyone's response. Apparently a lot of you say it is a AW but I have seen (and you can search it yourself) about 3 -4 sales of the DSA TP9 on the Private sales forum here on calguns.net in California so I assumed it was legal to own in California.

According to Wildhawker, and to my knowledge, the gun has no threads on the barrel but lugs instead.

So if I can just convert the TP9 to a single shot, and do a PPT it should be no problem yes?

Also, I plan on canceling this idea and just getting one that is already here and converted.

[tenpercentfirearms]

So if I can just convert the TP9 to a single shot, and do a PPT it should be no problem yes?

It has to meet these requirements.

PC 12133(b) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-shot pistol with a barrel length of not less than six inches and that has an overall length of at least 10 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.

Apparently there is some debate on whether that is a 6 inch barrel or not.

You could also look for a used one that a LEO has and no longer wants.

[Librarian]

And one further note, since it's in the thread title: "PPT" has a special meaning in California, un-obvious to those out of state and to many who live here.

Here, PPT requires using a CA FFL, and is implemented to accept only CA ID or military ID with PCS orders to CA.

This proposed transaction, coming from an AZ resident to a CA resident, is an interstate transfer, which is why being on-Roster or made exempt is an issue.