Talked to State DOJ today-12/20/10

[warbird]

DOJ called me about a question/complaint I filed with them on the gun lock issue. The jest of the coversation was that for state a person can sign the affidavit saying they have an approved safe and that state is okay with that to bypass the required gun lock purchase. I then asked if the state was not requiring a new lock with every gun that left the store then was it AFT and he said no. That no place in either regulations did it say you have to have purchased an approved lock the last 30 days. It seems no one's regulations has a time requirement and that all the feds require is that you show up with a lock and leave with the gun locked. They do not require that it be cable, combo, or key as that is your choice. The state does list approved ones and when I explained my situation at River City a few weeks back that prompted my inquiry he said the lock I took in should have been legal and that they should not have forced me to buy a new lock. I told him the people there including a lady you implied she was the manager or owner could not cite the proper state or federal law governing this issue. He seemed concerned over it and asked if he could use my name to forward this up the chain of command. I think now is a good time to e-mail DOJ and hammer them with this question rather than just complaining about it. Just go to the website and send in a complaint on the alleged requirement that proof be shown of the lock purchase within the last 30 days. Now is the time to put some heat on. He called it free money for the gun stores. Any comments?

[jtmkinsd]

DOJ called me about a question/complaint I filed with them on the gun lock issue. The jest of the coversation was that for state a person can sign the affidavit saying they have an approved safe and that state is okay with that to bypass the required gun lock purchase. I then asked if the state was not requiring a new lock with every gun that left the store then was it AFT and he said no. That no place in either regulations did it say you have to have purchased an approved lock the last 30 days. It seems no one's regulations has a time requirement and that all the feds require is that you show up with a lock and leave with the gun locked. They do not require that it be cable, combo, or key as that is your choice. The state does list approved ones and when I explained my situation at River City a few weeks back that prompted my inquiry he said the lock I took in should have been legal and that they should not have forced me to buy a new lock. I told him the people there including a lady you implied she was the manager or owner could not cite the proper state or federal law governing this issue. He seemed concerned over it and asked if he could use my name to forward this up the chain of command. I think now is a good time to e-mail DOJ and hammer them with this question rather than just complaining about it. Just go to the website and send in a complaint on the alleged requirement that proof be shown of the lock purchase within the last 30 days. Now is the time to put some heat on. He called it free money for the gun stores. Any comments?

Now all you have to do is get your conversation with DOJ in writing

This topic has been covered ad-nauseum

[Fjold]

In an ideal world the DOJ would call River City and slap their Pee Pee but since this is California, I doubt that will happen.

[warbird]

Fjold: The problem really lies with about 95-98% of the gun dealers in California and someone at either DOJ or BATF giving out false information. As I told the agent who called me the object was not to punish one dealer but to get clear direction out to the dealers and to the gun owners about what is actually required by the feds and the state and where any conflicts might be when purchasing a gun. I do not want this left up to the individual gun shop employee or owner to make up their own rules. You can't really punish a shop until you can show they are ripping off gun owners in a knowing violation of law. The shops pay about $1.50 -$2.00 for these locks and this is a huge money maker for them. That is why I am pushing it and will again with AFT in SF tomorrow by e-mail. I know they do not want to respond by e-mail so they can deny anything they have told me but I have no problem taking a polygraph if the agent on the other end denying he said it wants to take one as well under penalty of perjury. Like I said if everyone sends in an e-mail who opposes having to buy a lock every time they do PPT we should be able to get the message across.

[Librarian]

DOJ called me about a question/complaint I filed with them on the gun lock issue.

The jest of the coversation was that for state a person can sign the affidavit saying they have an approved safe and that state is okay with that to bypass the required gun lock purchase.

I then asked if the state was not requiring a new lock with every gun that left the store then was it AFT and he said no.

That no place in either regulations did it say you have to have purchased an approved lock the last 30 days.

It seems no one's regulations has a time requirement and that all the feds require is that you show up with a lock and leave with the gun locked. They do not require that it be cable, combo, or key as that is your choice.

The state does list approved ones and when I explained my situation at River City a few weeks back that prompted my inquiry he said the lock I took in should have been legal and that they should not have forced me to buy a new lock. I told him the people there including a lady you implied she was the manager or owner could not cite the proper state or federal law governing this issue. He seemed concerned over it and asked if he could use my name to forward this up the chain of command.

I think now is a good time to e-mail DOJ and hammer them with this question rather than just complaining about it. Just go to the website and send in a complaint on the alleged requirement that proof be shown of the lock purchase within the last 30 days. Now is the time to put some heat on. He called it free money for the gun stores.

Any comments?

You could try breaking up your post into paragraphs ...

Having done that myself, let me respond to what seems to be your major point (underlined):

Yes, the problem is the BATFE, whether the DOJ person is aware of the problem or not.

The Penal Code about 30 days is 12088.1 (e) -

(e) The sale or transfer of a firearm shall be exempt from
subdivision (a) if all of the following apply:
(1) The purchaser or transferee purchases an approved safety
device no more than 30 days prior to the day the purchaser or
transferee takes possession of the firearm.

Please see the wiki at http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...es.2C_and_Laws

[tenpercentfirearms]

So what is the point of this thread? River City made you buy one of their expensive locks? They have the ability to do that. If anyone makes you buy locks that you don't want, stop using them for business.

It might not even be against the law to do this. The best thing you can do is just not use them anymore. You won't find any lock games at my shop. I haven't sold a lock in years. I give away the PD free ones or trade them back and forth with customers.

[warbird]

thank you for the penal code reference which is more than I have been able to get out of any previous dealer, DOJ or ATF so far. If this has already been dealt with then let have teh mod shut it down and move on to other things