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  • berg
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 1963

    We discussed gun control in class today

    In my political science class today we talked about "Does more gun control = less violence". After our professor gave a short lecture about the history of gun control he ended with "If you are a liberal or Democrat you support gun control and if you are conservative you are supporting easy access to guns"

    Then the class was divided into 5 different groups (of about 7 students each) and we were each to discuss a different aspect of gun control and then present out conclusions to the rest of the class.

    The 5 questions were:
    1. What would be the consequences of a law banning the possession of handguns to a) criminal violence b)accidental injury c)self-defense?

    2. How would a ban on handguns be enforced?

    3. Would a ban on handguns be more or less effective than a ban on illegal drugs?

    4. Have gun control laws been effective in reducing violence?

    5. Does the large number of guns available to Americans cause violence, or does violence cause the possession of large numbers of guns?

    This class is about 70% male most about 20 years old and the entire class is made of of a good selection of races, black, white, asian, middle eastern and latin.

    So I know what you're thinking, but you will be surprised that every group gave answers that were "pro-gun". They all basically said that guns are tools and don't create violence, banning them doesn't work, and the right to own them is guaranteed in our constitution. I was the speaker for group 5 and I said that since our book states there are about 200 million guns owned in the US and about 11,000 deaths a year associated with guns, that if guns caused violence there should be a vastly higher number of deaths and that 11,000 seemed statistically low to me (when compared to the numbers of guns in existence).

    The teacher was pretty upset at all the pro-gun statements but he just stated that he didn't agree with our conclusions. After class the kid sitting behind me came up and said he agreed with me 100%.

    I have to say I was really surprised by everyone. On other topics we discuss it is obvious that most people in the class have "liberal" ideals. BTW I attend the College of San Mateo.
    __________________________________________________ _____________________________________
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so sure of themselves, and wiser people are full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell
  • #2
    bu-bye
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 2835

    Great job! When you lay out all the facts its hard to hide the truth about guns. As stated in another thread, those whole base their veiw on guns by their feelings will never understand. Facts don't lie.

    I used to joke around with my wife and friends about how we needed another war because the American people were getting soft. Then 9/11 happened and we went. It was no longer a joke to me. A number of friends from highschool who never fired a gun in their life and always viewed guns as bad, went off to fight and came back men with a great understanding of guns. They saw first hand its not gun that brings crime its the holder.

    Sounds like your teacher is the typical BS lib who fill our schools today. My brother inlaw has a teacher that teaches nothing but how the "White man" forced "African-american's" and all other races to die and suffer and how the "white man" is going to get it one of these days. BTW he is filipino. Who hires these *** clowns anyway
    "Calling an illegal alien a "undocumented worker" is like calling the drug dealer hanging around outside your kid's school an "unlicensed pharmacist."

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    • #3
      BigAL
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 832

      Back when I went to Cal we had to write a term paper in a history class i was taking using only primary sources. I wrote about the Chinese population in SF Chinatown circa 1900 because I knew exactly what they wanted to hear: All about how the white man forced the chinese immigrants into deplorable living conditions and got them addicted to opium to better control them. They really ate up the paper and I think i got a A-.

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      • #4
        ldivinag
        In Memoriam
        • Oct 2005
        • 4858

        Originally posted by berg
        In my political science class today we talked about "Does more gun control = less violence". After our professor gave a short lecture about the history of gun control he ended with "If you are a liberal or Democrat you support gun control and if you are conservative you are supporting easy access to guns"
        shoulda corrected him. it should be for SENSIBLE laws.
        leo d.

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        • #5
          Inkman
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2005
          • 1116

          Do you mind telling us what school and where? Just curious is all.

          Al
          Various 1911s.
          Some revolvers.
          Some rifles.
          Back to owning some of those "polymer" guns.

          They see me rollin'
          They hatin'

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          • #6
            PJA
            Member
            • Oct 2005
            • 269

            Good for you berg--Go Bulldogs!!
            pete

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            • #7
              MrTuffPaws
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 2156

              Originally posted by BigAL
              Back when I went to Cal we had to write a term paper in a history class i was taking using only primary sources. I wrote about the Chinese population in SF Chinatown circa 1900 because I knew exactly what they wanted to hear: All about how the white man forced the chinese immigrants into deplorable living conditions and got them addicted to opium to better control them. They really ate up the paper and I think i got a A-.
              Is there proof otherwise?

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              • #8
                stealthmode
                Member
                • Oct 2005
                • 242

                proof for what, if all that really happened to the chinese or that he got an A- by giving a liberal teacher what they like to hear?

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                • #9
                  berg
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 1963

                  Originally posted by Inkman
                  Do you mind telling us what school and where? Just curious is all.

                  Al
                  See the last sentence of my post.

                  BTW there is even a rifle club at this school: http://www.heypete.com/csmrc/
                  __________________________________________________ _____________________________________
                  The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so sure of themselves, and wiser people are full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell

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                  • #10
                    jnojr
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 8072

                    Originally posted by berg
                    I have to say I was really surprised by everyone. On other topics we discuss it is obvious that most people in the class have "liberal" ideals. BTW I attend the College of San Mateo.
                    Sounds like a great signature-gathering opportunity!



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                    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. --Thomas Jefferson
                    ** I had my San Diego County CCW... you can, too!

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                    • #11
                      hkfooey
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 740



                      Blame on the gun is like blaming my pencil because I spell wrong.

                      People - they never learn.
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                      the strong takes from the weak...
                      the smart takes from the strong...
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                      • #12
                        PanzerAce
                        Veteran Member
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 4262

                        actually, it would be more like: If guns cause murder, matches cause arson.
                        "There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order"
                        -Ed Howdershelt


                        Originally posted by hossb7
                        HK is the best $500 gun you can get for $1,000

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                        • #13
                          saki302
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 7187

                          I loved speech class in college. I think I did the "10 fallacies of gun control", and maybe a few others. Amazingly enough, the teacher liked it, and I think I had a few converts. No one dared debate me or ask any nazi-liberal questions during Q&A

                          -Dave

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                          • #14
                            PanzerAce
                            Veteran Member
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 4262

                            Originally posted by saki302
                            I loved speech class in college. I think I did the "10 fallacies of gun control", and maybe a few others. Amazingly enough, the teacher liked it, and I think I had a few converts. No one dared debate me or ask any nazi-liberal questions during Q&A

                            -Dave
                            was that before or after they knew you were one of those crazy gun nuts
                            "There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order"
                            -Ed Howdershelt


                            Originally posted by hossb7
                            HK is the best $500 gun you can get for $1,000

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                            • #15
                              Inkman
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2005
                              • 1116

                              Originally posted by berg
                              See the last sentence of my post.
                              Gotcha! I was reading a little too fast me thinks.

                              Al
                              Various 1911s.
                              Some revolvers.
                              Some rifles.
                              Back to owning some of those "polymer" guns.

                              They see me rollin'
                              They hatin'

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