Keeping a handgun in my office?

[Velocity]

Still new to Cali, and not sure of some regs. Any info or advice would be greatly appreciated.

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I am an owner and CEO of a company whose offices are located in an office part that is quite desolate at night, and I work very late several days every week.

Am I allowed to keep a handgun in my desk?

Can it be loaded?

Does it need to be locked in a gun case?

Does it need to be registered on the voluntary reg form? Or should it be? (I just moved here and believe I do need to register my handguns; is this correct?)

I am under the impression that I AM allowed to do the above, but don't want to risk a mistake, so thanks in advance to anyone for any advice.

Martin

[Cyc Wid It]

IIRC: yes, when you move here you should register your handguns. If you own the business, you can carry concealed on your premises (but not to and from said premises). Therefore you can keep a loaded handgun in your desk. If I missed something or messed something up, someone will come along and set me straight I'm sure.

[Velocity]

IIRC: yes, when you move here you should register your handguns. If you own the business, you can carry concealed on your premises (but not to and from said premises). Therefore you can keep a loaded handgun in your desk. If I missed something or messed something up, someone will come along and set me straight I'm sure.

Thanks Cyc Wid It.... greatly appreciated...

As far as transporting a handgun to my office I assume the usual "locked unloaded in a hard case in the trunk" applies.

Then I can keep it loaded in my desk.

Is that about right?

Martin

[Cyc Wid It]

I believe so. Someone will be along soon enough to validate what I said, or make me look like a moron

[9mmepiphany]

Between your car and your office, it should be transported in the locked case...just because it's already in the case in your trunk.

Keeping it loaded in your desk is fine, you could even carry it concealed or openly in your business...the culture of your business would determine which you decide to do.

I have a friend, not in CA, who owns his business and they often have show and tell in the conference room when someone gets something new. The employees get their UPS firearm/amo related deliveries at the office and the receptionist will sign for stuff if they are out of the office

[bigthaiboy]

Still new to Cali, and not sure of some regs. Any info or advice would be greatly appreciated.

If this is the wrong lounge to post this in, Mods, please move as appropriate.

I am an owner and CEO of a company whose offices are located in an office part that is quite desolate at night, and I work very late several days every week.

Am I allowed to keep a handgun in my desk?

Can it be loaded?

Does it need to be locked in a gun case?

Does it need to be registered on the voluntary reg form? Or should it be? (I just moved here and believe I do need to register my handguns; is this correct?)

I am under the impression that I AM allowed to do the above, but don't want to risk a mistake, so thanks in advance to anyone for any advice.

Martin

You can keep a firearm in your place of business, but I would securely lock it up when you are not in the office, or take it home at the end of the day, to prevent theft, or any other possible liability problems.

Bringing handguns into CA, requires that you register the handguns with the State within 60 days of the guns entering the State, by filling in this form: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/ab991frm.pdf plus a payment of $19 for each handgun. No registration for long guns, and do not bring hi-caps into CA.

[Velocity]

You can keep a firearm in your place of business, but I would securely lock it up when you are not in the office, or take it home at the end of the day, to prevent theft, or any other possible liability problems.

Bringing handguns into CA, requires that you register the handguns with the State within 60 days of the guns entering the State, by filling in this form: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/ab991frm.pdf plus a payment of $19 for each handgun. No registration for long guns, and do not bring hi-caps into CA.

Thanks for the confims, much appreciated. When you say no long-guns need to be registered does that apply to my Mossberg Shotgun, so that I do NOT have to register it?

Thanks,

Martin

[The Original Godfather]

I would strongly suggest you carry your firearm with you on your work premises, especially at night, given your description of the office location. Don't just leave it locked in your desk. If culture doesn't permit, then leave it hidden in your desk during normal work hours when people are around if you have to. But if you're alone, then I suggest carrying it on your person.

You must travel to your office in the proper manner (locked unloaded), but once you enter private property, I would suggest carrying from your car to your office.

My office has an underground garage. It is accessible by pin code only (or if you get through the main doors and take the elevator down to the garage) but once I'm in that garage I will take my gun and carry to my office.

My office is building is located near several county buildings, including a hospital, and like you, I am at my office in the wee hours of the morning to the wee hours of the night. There have been few occasions where outpatients from the county hospital (mainly those who have been treated drug use) were released and they somehow stumbled onto/into the building premises... long story short, its not a nice thing to deal with mentally irregular outpatients who have been treated for drug use, especially late around midnight... Also, there have been several shootings, and a few murders within the last 4-12 months that all occurred within a 5 block radius of my office. Fortunately, I've never had to use a gun to defend myself, and I hope I never have to. Luckily, I am an experienced martial artist who is seasoned in the art of self defense and can take down bigger guys than me (I am pretty small), so I would be able to handle myself in a one-on-one confrontation, but if things get out of control (or if I become seriously outnumbered) it's nice to have back-up strapped to my lower back...

I remember one Saturday night when I was walking from my office to the bathroom, I saw a guy on the first floor walking in and out of the bathroom. After noticing the guy walk in and out of the bathroom a few times I realized it was the "neighborhood bum" who is slightly mentally irregular. My first reaction was, "Thank God it's just him" and my second thought was "How the hell did he get in here?" Our main doors are open Mon-Sat from 7:30am and lock at 8pm and require an access code thereafter, so he must've gotten in before then and hung around one of the bathrooms or lobbies, and since it was a Sat, no one was there in the evening to spot him.

But this got me thinking (and a little scared) - if a drugged out bum who has mental challenges can "stumble" into my office building without much effort (or cognition), then it will be pretty easy for a perp to break in or hide out and wait for me... Ever since then I started carrying while at the office. I figured if one guy can get in, a whole pack of wolves can. And I mostly concerned with the pack of wolves and the one drugged out mentally irregular trespasser who can not be reasoned with that I am most afraid of. Other than that, the idiot who wants to trespass and tries to test me is going to get a quick lead punch from my right hand, and oblique kick to their shin/knee from left leg, and round house from my right leg connecting with the side of their head...

Of course, I make sure to never carry beyond the boundaries of my office. The gun only leaves the locked case once I'm parked under the building in the garage. When I leave, I sit in my car check all mirrors and corners, then reach into my car and put the gun unloaded and locked in the case. The scary part is leaving the garage since that's the point of vulnerability; the garage gate door (and it's a real metal gate, not just one of those stupid traffic barrier things) opens, all hell can break loose... Not sure what to do in that part yet though, and what makes me even more vulnerable is that the garage level is totally lit and visible (but not accessible since the garage is blocked off by metal gates and bars all around) from ground level, so anyone who wanted to can see me leaving at night...

[MP301]

Your trunk, assuming it's a standard sedan that you can't access from the passenger compartment, is itself a locked container. Ammo and mags/speedloaders can be right along side and your legal. If your in a private garage when you enter/ exit your vehicle, I personally would load it and have it handy so that if you get jacked there you won't lose it along with your wallet/life! Kind of hard to defend yourself with a case locked gun that is unloaded, yes?

[The Original Godfather]

Your trunk, assuming it's a standard sedan that you can't access from the passenger compartment, is itself a locked container. Ammo and mags/speedloaders can be right along side and your legal. If your in a private garage when you enter/ exit your vehicle, I personally would load it and have it handy so that if you get jacked there you won't lose it along with your wallet/life! Kind of hard to defend yourself with a case locked gun that is unloaded, yes?

Correct.

Unless if you're in a GFSZ or within 1000ft from a school that teaches any grade level K-12, then I believe even having mags or ammo unlocked in your car is a violation. Don't quote me on that though, but I do believe magazines and ammo are treated like an actual gun when it comes to GFSZs...

My locked case sits right behind the front passenger seat and the gun is loaded and on my person by the team I exit my car.

[glockman19]

Am I allowed to keep a handgun in my desk?

YES

Can it be loaded?

YES

Does it need to be locked in a gun case?

NO

Does it need to be registered on the voluntary reg form?

NO

Or should it be? (I just moved here and believe I do need to register my handguns; is this correct?)

YES


You can carry loaded and concealed in your home, On your residential property that is NOT accessable to the public. (gated), in your business, on your business property that is NOT accessable to the public. (gated). Private communities, Condo, apartment common areas are a gray area and should be avoided.

[Velocity]

Wow, thank you all for the great advice and info. I believe I am well set on this issue, and already have brought the gun to my office where it will be loaded, in reach at all times, carried in the evening when I am alone, and locked in my desk when I leave for home.

Now all I have to do is figure out how to 'be prepared' when I drive... and that means CCW, which I understand I have to wait at least 6 months after moving here to even apply for... hmmmm....

If exceptional good cause exists, is it possible to apply sooner? Remember I am in OC...

Billy Jack - any opinion on this?

Marty

[The Original Godfather]

Wow, thank you all for the great advice and info. I believe I am well set on this issue, and already have brought the gun to my office where it will be loaded, in reach at all times, carried in the evening when I am alone, and locked in my desk when I leave for home.

Now all I have to do is figure out how to 'be prepared' when I drive... and that means CCW, which I understand I have to wait at least 6 months after moving here to even apply for... hmmmm....

If exceptional good cause exists, is it possible to apply sooner? Remember I am in OC...

Billy Jack - any opinion on this?

Marty

I am not sure what OC's stance on CCW, but if it's like the majority of CA, then you will be hard pressed to obtain the permit.


CCW would solve all of your above mentioned situations and challenges... or if CA recognized the 2A like Arizona... until then, you've definitely got a good "routine" for transporting and carrying at the office.


Question for you Marty:

Are you going to get a safe or some other locking compartment to put your gun in when its not on your person? Or by "locked in a desk" you mean leaving it in a locked drawer?




Oh, and Marty, PS:


Great Scott!





Sorry, I just had to get that outta my system

[RedFord150]

... and that means CCW, which I understand I have to wait at least 6 months after moving here to even apply for... ...Remember I am in OC...

If you are in Orange County, you are probably out of luck on the CCW. I am in LA County, just as bad.
As far as locking the gun in your desk, I would bolt in a Homak or Gunvault single gun safe inside the drawer. The typical desk drawer is easily unlocked with a screwdriver. As the business owner, you would have MAJOR LIABILITY if that gun got loose and someone got hurt.
Yeah, welcome to CA ;-).

[sierratangofoxtrotunion]

I thought handgun plainly visible on the passenger seat, not loaded, was legal? Only becomes illegal if you throw your coat over it or otherwise make it concealed.

Although I'll admit to being no expert on this, and may be 100% wrong, and I don't do it.