W-2 No longer accepted for PPT?

[Rekrab]

I got turned away at a shop today because I tried to use my 2009 W-2 for a PPT. Owner of the shop told me they aren't acceptable and called the DOJ and checked his own website to verify.

I've always used my W-2, in fact I just transferred using one last week. I know someone who works for the store I was at frequents this board so I'm going to forward any info I dig up.

According to Tenpercent's list the W-2 is acceptable, but I can't find anything elsewhere saying it's OK anymore.

[Big Jake]

Why not just give the FFL what he wants and be done with it? Arguing the point with him seems sensless!

[Rekrab]

Because I don't have what he wants... yet.

[Big Jake]

It seems like he won't budge. Maybe find another FFL that will do it with a W-2!

[ke6guj]

I got turned away at a shop today because I tried to use my 2009 W-2 for a PPT. Owner of the shop told me they aren't acceptable and called the DOJ and checked his own website to verify.

I've always used my W-2, in fact I just transferred using one last week. I know someone who works for the store I was at frequents this board so I'm going to forward any info I dig up.

According to Tenpercent's list the W-2 is acceptable, but I can't find anything elsewhere saying it's OK anymore.

10%'s list shows the W-2 is acceptable to cover the federal residency requirements, but may not be good enough for CA's POR requirements.

In the thread where he posted the cheat sheet, Wes mentions that the W-2 doesn't have a period of validity or an expiration date, so it wouldn't work for CA POR. And a call to CADOJ confirmed it.

It appears tht you got lucky inthe past using a W-2 to prove POR for handgun purchases in CA.

[Rekrab]

Well, that sucks. And it's weird.

OK, well I managed to get my cable bill so attempt two should go a bit smoother.

Hang on, to be clear, the CA POR is not covered by a CDL but requires the secondary POR?

[ke6guj]

Hang on, to be clear, the CA POR is not covered by a CDL but requires the secondary POR?

correct, when buying a handgun, CA requires you to produce POR, but a CA ID/DL is not usable as POR.

[SJgunguy24]

W2 was never good for a secondary POR. Only Hard line utility connections and Gov issued licenses.
I use my CAID and my FFL or COE.

[Rekrab]

This is just crazy. I can't believe that four different gun shops have accepted a document that isn't acceptable.

So, to clarify, next time I go in I'll bring my CDL, Cable Bill, and W2. The addresses on all three do not match is that going to be a problem?

[ke6guj]

follow the 10% cheat sheet.

you're filling out the 4473, does your DL address that you put on the 4473?

If the picture ID address does not match the 4473 address, then you must obtain
• another valid, government-issued document showing the transferee’s residence address. This alternate documentation should be recorded in question 20.b., with issuing authority and type of identification presented.
1. Do not take a copy of the document. Simply write down the document issuing authority and type in 20.b.
2. It must be a government issued document. Utility bills, DMV brown change of address cards, and hunting licenses do not apply. The document should be printed or typed and not handwritten.
3. This is required for any firearm transaction either long gun or handgun.
Common examples are: CA vehicle registration, CA DMV printout, CCW, W-2s, government utilities, big game tags issued by the drawing, and lifetime hunting licenses printed by the state.

So, do what ever you need to get past the federal POR requirements for any firearms purchase. If you need to use your W2 for this, fine.

Now, you step over to the CA POR requirements.

CA DROS Requirements
All handgun DROSes must be accompanied by a copy of a SECONDARY proof of residency.
• Utility Bill from within the past three months that bears on its face the individual’s name and 4473 address. Utility Bill means a statement of charges for providing service to the individual’s residence by either physical or a telemetric connection to a non-mobile, fixed antenna reception device (satellite cable).
• Residential Lease that bears the individual’s name and 4473 address and is signed and dated.
• Property Deed that bears the indvidual’s name and 4473 address.
• Current, Government-issued License, Permit, or Registration, other than a CA DL or CA ID (DMV Printout will not work), that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The document must bear the individual’s name and 4473 address.
1. We must retain a copy of this document.
2. It must be valid and have an expiration date. DOUBLE CHECK THE DATES. No “Over Due Notice” warnings.
3. Make sure you can see the address for the utility provided on the bill.
4. If it is a government issued document, it can apply for both Federal 4473 and CA DROS requirements. (example: CCW, CA Vehicle Registration) If not, then you might need to satisfy both. (Example: a DMV printout would still require a utility bill.)

I can see how it might be thought that a W-2 would work for this as well, since it is a gov issued document, but CA requires that it also have a period of validity, which a W-2 doesn't have. So, if your cable bill has your current address on it that will be on the 4473 and the DROS, your fine.

I assume that you are a citizen, so you don't need to deal with the Alien POR requirements.

[Rekrab]

My CDL doesn't match the address that I would put on the 4473 but my cable bill does. My W2 also does not match the CDL address.

My cable bill has a line that says "Service from 8/15/2010 through 9/14/10." So would that meet the "period of validity" requirement?

And yeah, definitely a citizen.

This was a whole lot less confusing a couple hours ago. >.<

[ke6guj]

ok, since your CDL doens't match the 4473 address, you have to have something the feds will accept for POR. That could be your W2 if it matches the addressthat you put on the 4473. You didn't say if it did or not.

And CA requires POR as well for handgun purchases. For long gun purchases, your CDL is fine, even with an old address. SO, if buying a handugn, your cable bill should be fine since it has the address you are putting on the 4473/DROS, and has a current period of validity.

[Rekrab]

Shoot, my W2 doesn't match what I would put on the 4473. I'm seeing how this could be problematic.

If I were to use my CDL address on my 4473 (its my parents' address), would I be fine with using my Cable bill, which matches neither my CDL or my 4473 address?

Thanks for taking the time to help ke6guj.

[ke6guj]

Shoot, my W2 doesn't match what I would put on the 4473. I'm seeing how this could be problematic.

the feds want something .gov issued tying you to the address you list on the 4473.

If I were to use my CDL address on my 4473 (its my parents' address), would I be fine with using my Cable bill, which matches neither my CDL or my 4473 address?

nope, still won't work. When you are purchasing a handgun,CA wants something tying you to the address you list on the 4473/DROS besides the CDL/ID.

[Rekrab]

So my only real solution is to get my CDL address changed?

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