Maybe the most uninformed seller on the interweb

[dachan]

Alot of sellers won't ship firearms to CA, but I just tried to puchase a "S&W MIL-SPEC TELE-SCOPING STOCK (stock only, no tube) the stock is embossed with a S&W logo" on GlockTalk. Made payment over the weekend and was just refunded because the seller couldn't determine if it was legal to send it. He was very kind about it, but this is just absurd.

i was addressing the box for shipping and just noticed it is to calif. i read a bunch of articles pertaining to Calif. laws and collapsing stocks, and assault rifles, etc. and it is totally confusing to me if my selling and shipping the butt stock only without the tube is legal...so i'm refunding your money...it's just not worth running afoul of a law i am not clear about for $30.00.

[BigJB]

Lots of FUD about sales to Cal. People take it seriously, would rather not have to be law experts to make a $30 sale.

[kmca]

Can't say as I'd blame an individual....big internet stores however, is another story

[OneSevenDeuce]

This shows that the antis strategy of just making guns and gun parts too much of a pain to own has served them well. They can get away with saying that they support the 2A with reasonable restrictions when what they are really doing is just making the average person say "screw it, it's too much of a hassle to buy a gun." And the average out of state seller say "Screw it, it's too much of a hassle to sell to Californians."

[dieselpower]

You could have sent him 1 link to clear things up. Link here.

or

you could have sent him a link to 10% or any other CA seller.

[IRONWILL]

just had a seller refuse to sell me a lrb M25 he knew it was legal item here but said screw u because I live in CA. his ad said nothing about not selling to ca, also this was on another gun site
I emailed him and said I will take it & his emails are below

"Hi William,

Photos are attached.

Please tell me what state you are in, I cannot sell to certain states, such as California.

Brian"

I ask why no sales to ca and siad m14 types are legal

"
Sorry, no California sales.

The 'why' is well known by gun owners across the country. Your state passes a new gun law every five minutes and I have no interest in getting harassed by some pinhead jerkoff anti-gun bureaucrat looking to make a name for himself with his department by screwing with legitimate gun owners.

Take care,

Brian"


I told him he was just helping the anti gunners buy not selling to me and my ffl was ready to email a copy of his ffl to start the trans in hopes he would sell the receiver

Here is what he said

"If you want to get a better reception from gun owners in other states, you and your fellow Californians must take the first step at the ballot box. Elect more pro-gun candidates this November and every election thereafter, more Tom McClintocks, fewer Barbara Boxers. Your state's population can complain about how the rest of the country treats you, or you can make changes in Sacramento that will make your own lives better.

Or you can move out of that state that respects gun rights, where the local government does not use the phrases 'gun owner' and 'nazi' interchangeably.

It's your choice. Good luck.

Brian"

I emailed back that moving from CA is just running away etc

no sale

[thunderbolt]

You know that's something that always confuses and infuriates me. When guys from out of state tell you so flippantly to move out of California. As if it were so easy. Sure thing pal, I'm going to quit my job, find another one with equal pay tomorrow(impossible), sell my house (even more impossible), uproot my family, and incure thousands in moving expenses just so I can buy your POS whatever. And just where you suggest I go? Your corner of BFE where you can't even get a freakin pizza delivered just so you can complain to your friends in your local crap-hole bar about all those dang Californians movin in. @^%&^(*# you!!

And if voting really worked in this state no amount of Federal Judges would make a difference.

[salazar44]

he probably found another buyer for more money... cuz you cant be that lame!

[dachan]

Calguns comes through again, just purchased the same item from another member. Got what I was looking for and kept the money in the community.

Though I still can't believe we have people out there scared to ship a chunk of molded plastic to CA. I mean I've personally transfered at least a thousand AR and AK type rifles in the last two years with my license, but couldn't purchase a stock from out of state private party in this case. I sent the seller the link to this thread, hopefully he follows it and learns something.

[rubber duckie]

i'm sure their are plenty of us on here that wanted curtain legal parts but seller will not ship thinking its against the law. its not just the private party sales, but big name companies too. o well , im not sure about everyone else, but i always seem to find some place else to get my parts from.

[SJgunguy24]

When anybody says "Just move." My reply is usually "Why? Why should I move and let them win, they are wrong and you are wrong for supporting them."

What really sucks is now that everything has slowed down and there isn't6 as much money, some vendors have changed their tune and policies towards Ca.
I called Atlantic Arms a couple of years ago to inquire about a couple of Saiga's. When I told them where I lived, I was told to move and hung up on. That was rude, uncalled for and complete B.S. IMO. Now they come here (CGN) because they want to help in getting us what they need? FAIL, I like to support CA friendly vendors or find what I need from a CA based manufacturer

[motorhead]

there's a longstanding myth that folding stocks are illegal here. even big outfits (CTD) have bought into this and by doing so, reinforced it. few want to discuss the reality of the issue because it would ultimately result in their having to admit they were wrong. the best solution, as you found, is to vote with your feet and your wallet. chin up, it is improving.

[thrillhouse700]

just had a seller refuse to sell me a lrb M25 he knew it was legal item here but said screw u because I live in CA. his ad said nothing about not selling to ca, also this was on another gun site
I emailed him and said I will take it & his emails are below

"Hi William,

Photos are attached.

Please tell me what state you are in, I cannot sell to certain states, such as California.

Brian"

I ask why no sales to ca and siad m14 types are legal

"
Sorry, no California sales.

The 'why' is well known by gun owners across the country. Your state passes a new gun law every five minutes and I have no interest in getting harassed by some pinhead jerkoff anti-gun bureaucrat looking to make a name for himself with his department by screwing with legitimate gun owners.

Take care,

Brian"


I told him he was just helping the anti gunners buy not selling to me and my ffl was ready to email a copy of his ffl to start the trans in hopes he would sell the receiver

Here is what he said

"If you want to get a better reception from gun owners in other states, you and your fellow Californians must take the first step at the ballot box. Elect more pro-gun candidates this November and every election thereafter, more Tom McClintocks, fewer Barbara Boxers. Your state's population can complain about how the rest of the country treats you, or you can make changes in Sacramento that will make your own lives better.

Or you can move out of that state that respects gun rights, where the local government does not use the phrases 'gun owner' and 'nazi' interchangeably.

It's your choice. Good luck.

Brian"

I emailed back that moving from CA is just running away etc

no sale

I agree with this guy. I may get flamed for saying that, but lets be honest how many of your friends actually voted last time? I am pretty sure I was the only one out of mine. People are quick to complain but won't take the time to educate themselves and vote. The rest in CA are sheep voters.

[OneSevenDeuce]

I agree with this guy. I may get flamed for saying that, but lets be honest how many of your friends actually voted last time? I am pretty sure I was the only one out of mine. People are quick to complain but won't take the time to educate themselves and vote. The rest in CA are sheep voters.

It's not that simple. It never is. How many of my friends voted? All of them. The only problem with that logic is that other people vote too, and they might not agree with us. It's a pretty pathetic excuse to justify screwing over California gun owners. The implication is that we are lazy or inactive in our government and politics. Gun owners are more politically active than any other group of people I know.

[bsg]

californians are frequently perceived as a different and separate breed from the "outside world." that is partially why it is so important for Calgunners to remain united; to be tolerant of our differences and embrace our similarities.