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  • sfwdiy
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2008
    • 2146

    Seriously, Kimber? WTF?

    Yesterday I headed up to Angeles Range with a buddy of mine to run some rounds through my Kimber Eclipse Pro II. Man, does this thing have issues.

    Here's the background on it:



    I inherited this pistol from my Mom's husband when he died late last year. He had previously shown it to me and told me that when he bought it new it didn't run right at all. He sent it back to Kimber and they did some work on it. That was the last discussion I had with him regarding the pistol.

    Yesterday was the first chance I've had to go shoot it, and here's what I found:

    Multiple failures to extract. It did this three or four times in a hundred rounds. The slide would lock back and the empty casing would be hanging halfway out of the chamber.



    Also, when it does extract properly it flings the focking brass straight back into your face.

    I wasn't using funky reloads or JHPs or anything, either. Just green-box Remington UMC ball ammo.

    It would also occasionally lock back when there were still rounds in the magazine. Happened with a couple different mags, 2 Kimbers and one Wilson Combat.

    More bothersome though is the next problem: You can't drop the slide by racking it. The notch in the slide that catches the slide-stop is cut too long and won't drop the slide-stop when you rack it backward. Here's a picture, and a video demonstrating this:





    Also note my awesome Misfits Fiend Club shirt.

    This slide-stop issue is not something my Mom's husband would have ignored, and the only possible explanation I can think of is that he just never noticed it. Perhaps he was in the habit of dropping the slide by pressing on the stop, I'm not sure. He was an avid firearm collector, and this is definitely not something that he would have let slide, so to speak.

    Seeing as how the pistol is definitely not new, do I have any chance of getting Kimber to fix these things? The slide-stop thing especially is unacceptable on a $1000 firearm. How could it possibly leave the factory this way?

    --B
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    Taildraggerdave
    Member
    • Jul 2010
    • 156

    Have a look here
    Discuss Kimber products and accessories. Dedicated to the late Mark Pascoo (Kruzr), a passionate Kimber enthusiast and longtime contributor to the forum. RIP Mark.

    It's a dedicated 1911 forum and the link is right to the Kimber forum.
    Take care,
    Dave

    Your gun has the External Extractor and has some known issues. I believe Kimber even had a program where they will replace your slide with an Internal
    Extractor slide. Kimber has a lifetime warranty policy but I bet you can figure it out for yourself using the above link and learn more
    about your 1911 in the process.
    Otherwise, give em a call.
    Last edited by Taildraggerdave; 08-14-2010, 4:13 PM. Reason: Add info

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    • #3
      sfwdiy
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2008
      • 2146

      Originally posted by Taildraggerdave
      Have a look here
      Discuss Kimber products and accessories. Dedicated to the late Mark Pascoo (Kruzr), a passionate Kimber enthusiast and longtime contributor to the forum. RIP Mark.

      It's a dedicated 1911 forum and the link is right to the Kimber forum.
      Take care,
      Dave

      Your gun has the External Extractor and has some known issues. I believe Kimber even had a program where they will replace your slide with an Internal
      Extractor slide. Kimber has a lifetime warranty policy but I bet you can figure it out for yourself using the above link and learn more
      about your 1911 in the process.
      Otherwise, give em a call.
      Interesting. Kimber's website says their warranty is only good for one year.


      I'm a member at 1911 forum and this isn't my first 1911. Calguns is more fun.

      --B
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      • #4
        SNEAKS
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 1449

        Kimber never perfected the external extractor on their 1911s. A majority of them had issues which Kimber decided to change to an internal extractor. Good luck with having them fix it and make it right. There numerous horror stories of Kimbers customer service out there to be read. If it were mine I would take it to a good gunsmith and see what they can do and forget Kimber working on it.

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        • #5
          Taildraggerdave
          Member
          • Jul 2010
          • 156

          Originally posted by sfwdiy
          Interesting. Kimber's website says their warranty is only good for one year.


          I'm a member at 1911 forum and this isn't my first 1911. Calguns is more fun.

          --B
          Ok. I must be wrong. Good luck with your Kimber then and Calguns is more fun.

          Dave

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          • #6
            sfwdiy
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2008
            • 2146

            Originally posted by Taildraggerdave
            Ok. I must be wrong. Good luck with your Kimber then and Calguns is more fun.

            Dave
            What's with the attitude? You're perfectly correct about the extractor. It's an issue I wasn't aware of on a firearm I didn't purchase and hadn't even fired until yesterday.

            I asked the question about whether or not I had a chance of getting Kimber to fix it because they clearly state on their website that their warranty is only good for a year.

            When I read your first response I thought I detected a bit of "lrn2google, RTFM, N00b" snarky-ness in there, but I wasn't sure and didn't mention it. Now this. What gives?

            --B
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            • #7
              Silverlake223
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 795

              Hum... I think LAPD Swat went with the Kimber 45...
              Quod sumus hoc eritis

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              • #8
                POLICESTATE
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Apr 2009
                • 18185

                Originally posted by Silverlake223
                Hum... I think LAPD Swat went with the Kimber 45...
                They don't have the fail external extractors.

                My Custom II TLE doesn't either. It eats reloads for breakfast! 550 round count so far, after tomorrow will be 700

                As for the OP's problem, I would suggest going to a gunsmith if it's out of warranty. I remember reading about these before I got my Kimber, which is why I made sure there was no external extractor on it, I did see complaints about the problem but I didn't really note the solutions. I think there are some, I would suggest a google search with "kimber external extractor problems" and see what comes up.

                Maybe it's something you can fix, let's hope so.
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                • #9
                  jim293
                  Junior Member
                  • May 2008
                  • 30

                  Originally posted by SNEAKS
                  Kimber never perfected the external extractor on their 1911s. A majority of them had issues which Kimber decided to change to an internal extractor. Good luck with having them fix it and make it right. There numerous horror stories of Kimbers customer service out there to be read. If it were mine I would take it to a good gunsmith and see what they can do and forget Kimber working on it.
                  I had some problems with my gun after I purchased it. I called them and explained my problems with the gun. They sent me a call ticket and I sent it back. I had the gun back within a week. They did a great job on it. I have had excellent luck with there service and am extremely happy with my pistol.
                  Glock 21 With Trijicon night sights
                  Kimber Tactical Pro II .45 Caliber with VZ Operator II grips.

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                  • #10
                    trob
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 1881

                    out of any 1911 in the 800-$1k+ range, ive heard of the most problems with kimbers....weird.

                    they look nice, but ive never really considered owning one.

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                    • #11
                      POLICESTATE
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 18185

                      Originally posted by trob
                      out of any 1911 in the 800-$1k+ range, ive heard of the most problems with kimbers....weird.

                      they look nice, but ive never really considered owning one.
                      I did a lot of research before I got mine. Most of the problems are either with the external extractors or people using reloads on a brand new gun and/or not cleaning the factory goo off of it first.
                      -POLICESTATE,
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                      • #12
                        asgalindez
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2007
                        • 1108

                        With regards to the slide-stop not disengaging, when you pull the slide back slowly (with no mag inserted) does the slide-stop drop out of the notch or does it stay up in the notch? If it stays, something is hanging up the slide-stop and not allowing it to disengage freely. I don't think the slide is the issue in this case.

                        For the fail to extracts...maybe an extra power extractor spring is needed? Not sure about this...my Kimber has an internal extractor.
                        Last edited by asgalindez; 08-14-2010, 5:26 PM.
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                        • #13
                          ke6guj
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                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 23725

                          Originally posted by sfwdiy
                          More bothersome though is the next problem: You can't drop the slide by racking it. The notch in the slide that catches the slide-stop is cut too long and won't drop the slide-stop when you rack it backward. Here's a picture, and a video demonstrating this:


                          This slide-stop issue is not something my Mom's husband would have ignored, and the only possible explanation I can think of is that he just never noticed it. Perhaps he was in the habit of dropping the slide by pressing on the stop, I'm not sure. He was an avid firearm collector, and this is definitely not something that he would have let slide, so to speak.

                          Seeing as how the pistol is definitely not new, do I have any chance of getting Kimber to fix these things? The slide-stop thing especially is unacceptable on a $1000 firearm. How could it possibly leave the factory this way?

                          --B
                          It almost appears as if the slide is being prevented from fully cycling. Perhaps by something in the recoil spring/guide rod area. I don't have my SA 1911 handy to see the how much rearward travel is available past the slide stop notch, but on my Llama 1911 I'm getting much more slide travel than your video shows. Perhaps that is the issue, that the slide isn't going back far enough to move the slide stop, not that the slide stop cutout is too long.

                          Yes, the slide stop might be in the wrong spot or be too large, I'd compare it against another 1911, but I'd suggest pulling the recoil spring and guide rod and see if you get enough slide travel then.
                          Jack



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                          • #14
                            sfwdiy
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 2146

                            Originally posted by asgalindez
                            With regards to the slide-stop not disengaging, when you pull the slide back slowly (with no mag inserted) does the slide-stop drop out of the notch or does it stay up in the notch? If it stays, something is hanging up the slide-stop and not allowing it to disengage freely.
                            That's what I thought at first too, but the slide-stop doesn't just drop out of the way when the slide is no longer exerting pressure on it. When the slide is pulled back all the way it should ride up over the slide-stop, pushing it back down. Then, barring the presence of an empty mag forcing it up, the stop should stay down and allow the slide to travel all the way forward.

                            The notch on this particular slide has been cut out so far forward that it cannot ride up over the stop to push it back down.

                            --B
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                            • #15
                              sfwdiy
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 2146

                              Originally posted by ke6guj
                              It almost appears as if the slide is being prevented from fully cycling. Perhaps by something in the recoil spring/guide rod area. I don't have my SA 1911 handy to see the how much rearward travel is available past the slide stop notch, but on my Llama 1911 I'm getting much more slide travel than your video shows. Perhaps that is the issue, that the slide isn't going back far enough to move the slide stop, not that the slide stop cutout is too long.

                              Yes, the slide stop might be in the wrong spot or be too large, I'd compare it against another 1911, but I'd suggest pulling the recoil spring and guide rod and see if you get enough slide travel then.
                              There's a possibility. I'll have to check this. I was comparing it to my Springfield, and the Springfield didn't have a noticeably larger amount of travel. I'll have to pull the slide apart later and see what I find.

                              --B
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