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  • windrider
    Banned
    • Jun 2009
    • 482

    Acog with buis

    So i was browsing pictures the other day (cant find it now) and i noticed a picture of an ar15 with an Acog with a rear buis on it and it got me thinking. What the hell is the point of that? The thing requires no batteries and would survive the emp portion of a nuke and probably the blast too. A friend of mine said probably in case it gets shot, that made sense for a second then I though well what if the fixed front sight post gets shot should he/she have a front buis for the fixed front sight, what if you have fixed rear iron sights and your iron sight gets shot should you have a rear buis for your rear iron sight? The logic for it seemed extreme. So we all know a lot of zombie hunter guns have every accessory on them and will most likely just weigh down the rifle get in the way more than anything but all the lasers and flashlights on bolt actions do have some use, this seemed to me the first 100% useless feature but i remember the ar15 was very clean looking, it was very minimal and the only thing was that buis so im a little curious if there is something I am missing. Can anyone enlighten me?
  • #2
    Diabolus
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2006
    • 4694

    What if you fell in a muddy puddle while you were sneaking around and the lens was coated in muck?

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    • #3
      windrider
      Banned
      • Jun 2009
      • 482

      Originally posted by Diabolus
      What if you fell in a muddy puddle while you were sneaking around and the lens was coated in muck?
      probably just wipe the mud off

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      • #4
        supertrooper
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2010
        • 622

        if you think a BUIS on an Acog is pointless look up the Acog with Doc optic on top with a BUIS next to it. i think that one is overkill.
        A SWAT Monkey is a powerful psychological tool. Imagine you are a criminal hiding in a closet and you hear "Release the monkey!" You would shudder.

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        • #5
          M47_Dragon
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2008
          • 1263

          Originally posted by windrider
          ...A friend of mine said probably in case it gets shot, that made sense for a second then I though well what if the fixed front sight post gets shot should he/she have a front buis for the fixed front sight, what if you have fixed rear iron sights and your iron sight gets shot should you have a rear buis for your rear iron sight?
          I am picturing an AR with full top rail, the rear half of the rail taken up by BUIS rear sights, and the front half taken up by front sights...


          I'd photoshop it, but I'm tired.
          Originally posted by bigbob76
          I'm in the process of de-humping all my Glocks.

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          • #6
            bobnfloyd
            Member
            • Apr 2008
            • 281

            The ACOG being a magnified optic can be hard to use to engage close targets. Because of this, you may find that you won't want to look through your optic to shoot (remove the optic through some quick release, mostly hold zero when reinstalled kind of way). Additionally, a lower 1/3 co-witness allows you to use your iron sights as if the optic weren't there if you rather not remove your ACOG.

            Additionally, the ACOG does have glass, for whatever reason it gets damaged or loses zero, you have options.

            In terms of how much backup anything you need... 1 is none, 2 is one. =)

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            • #7
              SuperSet
              Calguns Addict
              • Feb 2007
              • 9048

              You can't use cowitness with an ACOG as it's magnified.
              OP, you probably haven't realized it yet but many shooters setup their rifles in the same way that they see on the news or through another visual medium. Functionality plays a back seat to aesthetics.

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              • #8
                Untamed1972
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Mar 2009
                • 17579

                Originally posted by bobnfloyd
                The ACOG being a magnified optic can be hard to use to engage close targets.


                Although the b/u sights on the ACOG aren't that great either. They sit so high above the barrel that the CQB hold off coupled with the short sight radius makes them quite difficult to use effectively. I suppose with lots of practice one could get pretty good with it if they wanted to tho.
                "Freedom begins with an act of defiance"

                Quote for the day:
                "..the mind is the weapon and the hand only its extention. Discipline your mind!" Master Hao, Chenrezi monastery, Valley of the Sun

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                • #9
                  Army
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 3915

                  Both eyes open, and use like an Aimpoint.

                  Close targets are engaged by setting the chevron on the target and pulling the trigger. If it's too close to focus on, then the bullet strike will still be in the general area of the chevron.
                  "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself...A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."......Cicero

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                  • #10
                    UserM4
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 1687

                    Is OP talking about the RCO with BUIS built onto the top of it?
                    While we're here arguing about the latest high tech running shoes, there's some Kenyan out there running barefoot. Guess who's gonna win the marathon?

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                    • #11
                      1911su16b870
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 7654

                      The ARMS ACOG mount and 40L BUS are manufactured to mount ajacent to each other on the M1913 rail. The only reason for this IMO is if the ACOG is damaged beyond use and unrepairable in the field, wherein you would remove the ACOG, pitch it, and deploy the 40L with your front sight. Obviously this would not happen while you are being engaged.
                      "Bruen, the Bruen opinion, I believe, discarded the intermediate scrutiny test that I also thought was not very useful; and has, instead, replaced it with a text history and tradition test." Judge Benitez 12-12-2022

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                      • #12
                        UserM4
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 1687

                        Can also practice the Bindon Aiming Concept with ACOG, both eyes open like mentioned above. No real need for a BUIS CQB with enough training.
                        While we're here arguing about the latest high tech running shoes, there's some Kenyan out there running barefoot. Guess who's gonna win the marathon?

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                        • #13
                          windrider
                          Banned
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 482

                          Originally posted by UserM4
                          Is OP talking about the RCO with BUIS built onto the top of it?
                          no like a flip up buis, i think it was the magpul one on the picture I saw

                          like this

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