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  • BigDogatPlay
    Calguns Addict
    • Jun 2007
    • 7362

    SF Police misconduct coming to a boil

    The latest was in an article in this morning's Chronicle.

    Kamala Harris accused of withholding vital info

    Jaxon Van Derbeken, Chronicle Staff Writer
    Thursday, June 3, 2010

    San Francisco's public defender accused District Attorney Kamala Harris on Wednesday of refusing to turn over to defense lawyers the names of police officers with arrest records or misconduct histories whose trial testimony has helped to convict defendants.

    Public Defender Jeff Adachi said Harris is arguing that her prosecutors first must review the names on a list being drawn up by the Police Department. Only after going to court for permission, Harris has said, would her office ultimately alert defense attorneys to the officers' problems.

    << snipped >>

    Sources say the Police Department has identified about 135 officers whose histories would have to be disclosed. The information is still in police hands, however, as police and prosecutors are hashing out the disclosure protocol.

    Adachi's attack followed a contentious meeting last week with Harris.
    One wonders if any of those 135 involve issues with AW's from earlier in this decade......
    -- Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun

    Not a lawyer, just a former LEO proud to have served.

    Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -- James Madison
  • #2
    BroncoBob
    Calguns Addict
    • Mar 2008
    • 6019

    And this woman wants to be the AG for our state.
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    Originally Posted by ar15barrels
    Unscrew the lid. There is a foil seal there.
    Pull the seal off and screw the lid back on.
    Then you can squeeze the mustard and it will come out of the bottle..

    Liberals are termites eating at the foundation of our constitution.
    Michael Reagan

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    • #3
      warbird
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2010
      • 2049

      This is very scary when a candidate for Attorney General does not want transparency in law enforcement. It bring into question her ethics and her willingness to protect citizens from abuse. No cop's conduct should be considered off limits if he has been convicted at any level of a violation of law, department policy, or regulations. Cops have to be above reproach and the only way that can be proven is by open records on their conduct at all times.

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      • #4
        POLICESTATE
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Apr 2009
        • 18185

        SF public defender's office should just sue for the information.
        -POLICESTATE,
        In the name of the State, and of the School, and of the Infallible Science


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        • #5
          Aldemar
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          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Dec 2007
          • 4707

          Although she is not my choice, the timing of the release is suspect. 4 days before elections?

          On second thought, GOOD MOVE
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          NRA Golden Eagle

          Being north of
          70 has definite advantages: I was able to do all my stupid stuff before video cameras, smartphones, utube, and the internet.

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          • #6
            Beelzy
            Calguns Addict
            • Apr 2008
            • 9225

            Who needs to read about her shortcomings.....just go to San Francisco and get robbed.
            No waiting, open 24-7!!
            "I kill things for a living, don't make yourself one of them"

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            • #7
              berto
              Calguns Addict
              • Oct 2005
              • 7723

              She really ought to drop out of the race and resign her job. She's doing a number on the already dubious reputations of SF and lawyers.
              "There are no outdoor sports as graceful as throwing stones at a dictatorship." Ai WeiWei

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              • #8
                dixieD
                • Jun 2006
                • 2654

                Originally posted by warbird
                This is very scary when a candidate for Attorney General does not want transparency in law enforcement. It bring into question her ethics and her willingness to protect citizens from abuse. No cop's conduct should be considered off limits if he has been convicted at any level of a violation of law, department policy, or regulations. Cops have to be above reproach and the only way that can be proven is by open records on their conduct at all times.
                She is an ideologue, a true-believer, and the ends justify the means. Perfect timing for the release.
                As Einstein has shown that it takes infinite energy to accelerate a mass to the speed of light, Obama AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE will demonstrate that it takes infinite money to attain utopia

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                • #9
                  TRICKSTER
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 12438

                  While interesting, how is this a firearm related topic?


                  Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

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                  • #10
                    tyrist
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 4564

                    So if a Police Officer has ever been convicted of a crime he is not reliable witness? If that were true you might as well remove the entire justice system since numerous victims and wits have not only been arrested but are convicted felons themselves.

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                    • #11
                      johnny_22
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 2180

                      It's the information that is needed.

                      Originally posted by tyrist
                      So if a Police Officer has ever been convicted of a crime he is not reliable witness? If that were true you might as well remove the entire justice system since numerous victims and wits have not only been arrested but are convicted felons themselves.
                      Last jury I sat on (murder), some of the witnesses were gang members. The others were drunk. We knew it and took their testimony with a grain of salt. We assume that the officers and detectives taking the stand had no such baggage and trusted them a little more.
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                      • #12
                        BigDogatPlay
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 7362

                        Originally posted by TRICKSTER
                        While interesting, how is this a firearm related topic?
                        Because of the long standing questions around SFPD LEOs and illegally owned AWs that have never been answered. My hope is that this brings some of it out in the open so that it can be used as further leverage.

                        Or you can move it to off topic.....
                        -- Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun

                        Not a lawyer, just a former LEO proud to have served.

                        Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -- James Madison

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                        • #13
                          BigDogatPlay
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 7362

                          Originally posted by tyrist
                          So if a Police Officer has ever been convicted of a crime he is not reliable witness? If that were true you might as well remove the entire justice system since numerous victims and wits have not only been arrested but are convicted felons themselves.
                          And doesn't it kind of depend on what they might have been convicted of? A simple trespass is clearly not the same thing as a felony plead down to avoid an employment ending whack.

                          Until that is known, how can credibility really be assessed?

                          Given the recent well publicized travails of the SFPD crime lab, where a coke head lab tech was stealing evidence over a period of years for her own (and others?) consumption, and the general sniff of less than forthright conduct that has long hung around SFPD like a cloud of swamp gas, it really does beg for the light of day to be shone into the department.
                          -- Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun

                          Not a lawyer, just a former LEO proud to have served.

                          Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -- James Madison

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                          • #14
                            SVT-40
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 12907

                            Revealing information in LEO's personnel file requires a "Pitchess" motion. To much information to post here but here is a very brief definition.


                            The request is reviewed by a judge during trial and he determines if the information is relevant to the case at hand.


                            A Pitchess motion is a request made by the defense in a California criminal case, such as a DUI case or a resisting arrest case, to access a law enforcement officer's personnel information when the defendant alleges in an affidavit that the officer used excessive force or lied about the events surrounding the defendant's arrest. The information included can include prior incidents of use of force, allegations of excessive force, citizen complaints, and information gathered during the officer's pre-empolyment background investigation. The motion's name comes from the case Pitchess v. Superior Court 11 Cal.3d 531 (1974).

                            A defendant's right to information about alleged officer misconduct or dishonesty has since been established by statute in California in sections 1043 through 1047 of the California Evidence Code.
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                            What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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