interesting arguement i had....

[yakmon]

Morrow: man
Morrow: i pretty much want to kill you
Morrow: for following the CA bull**** process
Morrow: of firearm transactions
yakmon: for following the law, however much i disagree with it, will keep me out of prison
Morrow: but see, you even said before having an unregistered gun isn't against the law
yakmon: you're not advocating that i break the law, are you?
Morrow: all you had to do, is have your friend sell you it
yakmon: illeagly?
Morrow: that's what most people do, no one cares
yakmon: that's still illegal in cal
Morrow: it's a gray area bro
Morrow: if a police man finds you have a gun
Morrow: and it's not registered to you
Morrow: all you say is you bought it in another state years ago, or it was given to you, then it's not illegal
Morrow: you even said that yourself before
yakmon: it's not grey, it's black and white, no handguns can be transered legally without going through dros/ffl
Morrow: but who's to know the better? see what I mean?
yakmon: the cops will if i bust a cap in some ***got with it
yakmon: or should i grid off the s/n
Morrow: you went above and beyond to follow a bull**** unconstitutional california law, when there was extremely reasonable ways around it to never make it look illegal to you, you've even advocated these methods before, then you don't do it
Morrow: if you bust a cap in someone, regardless if the gun is registered to you or not, doesn't matter what-so-ever
yakmon: the courts decide what's constitutional not me or you
Morrow: man
Morrow: it's like you talk a big game
Morrow: but you don't deliver
yakmon: no, what will happen is that i will get off of the murder charge for justified shooting, and get charged and convicted of an illegal weapon charge
Morrow: i remember when you told us the whole "it fell off my boat" speech
Morrow: man
Morrow: total fraud
Morrow: ...but it's not an illegal weapon
Morrow: you bought it a long time ago in another state
Morrow: you moron
yakmon: that is out of context
Morrow: jesus christ this is retarded
yakmon: i said if the govt came looking for my regested weaps, id tell them to pound sand
Morrow: 8:25 PM - Morrow: ...but it's not an illegal weapon
8:25 PM - Morrow: you bought it a long time ago in another state
8:25 PM - Morrow: you moron
yakmon: if it wasnt dros'ed its illegal
yakmon: and i dont need you to tell me anything about guns, how meny rounds have you fired this year?
Morrow: dude
Morrow: if you shoot someone, like someone trying to kill you or something
Morrow: and the cops go
Morrow: OK lets see the gun
Morrow: here you go cop
Morrow: hey! where's your registration
Morrow: I bought it a long time ago in another state
yakmon: illegal in ca
Morrow: oh ok, lets see if this weapon's SN is reported stolen...nope...have a nice day
yakmon: you cant buy guns out of state in ca
Morrow: ok nevermind
Morrow: obviously the CA government has enstilled fear in you
Morrow: and you aren't looking at logical reasons of how to obtain weapons that aren't registered to you, legally
Morrow: forget i said anything
yakmon: no, my parents instilled in me to follow the law
yakmon: even ****ed up laws
yakmon: but lets examine your scenario
Morrow: i'm done with this conversation
yakmon: i cap some idiot in my house with a gun i bought off my friend ftf
Morrow: you're seriously too retarded about this
yakmon: why cause im about to own your reason
Morrow: because you don't understand how our legal system works
Morrow: at all
yakmon: i understand the the less im exposed to it the better off i am
Morrow: lol see
Morrow: that statement
Morrow: is just so meaningless
Morrow: this is going nowhere
yakmon: you're hiding behind the arguement " i'm right and wont listen to those who feel differently," kinda like the brady campaighn
Morrow: huh?
yakmon: let me get back to my point
Morrow: this is the law, there's no room for "feelings differently"
Morrow: all you know is california's retarded law
yakmon: i feel differently to doing firearms transactions differently than you
Morrow: you don't realize there's LEGAL ways around it
yakmon: me giving chris $400 and him giving me a gun is not legal
yakmon: peroid
Morrow: but you didn't do that
Morrow: you would never do that
Morrow: see how retarded you're being
yakmon: no i followed the law
Morrow: jesus christ this is insane
Morrow: you didn't buy that gun from chris, you got it a long time ago in another state
Morrow: it was given to you
Morrow: LOL
Morrow: MAN
Morrow: WE GOT A FEAR MONGER HERE
yakmon: no, i call it "a law abidding citizen
yakmon: remember, the cops have a record of chris buying the gun from an ffl
Morrow: false, you're abiding by a CA unconstitutional law, when states all over don't have that bull**** unconstitutional law
Morrow: all you need to do
Morrow: is claim it was obtained in another state long ago
Morrow: and you're now FULLY LEGALLY away from CA's false law
yakmon: ever heard the phrase, "the nail that sticks up farthest, gets hammered down?"
Morrow: but, CA has enstilled fear in you, which is their goal, and they succeeded
Morrow: but see, you're so scared, you think that will make you "stick out" more
yakmon: if i was afraid of ca law about firearms i wouldnt own any
Morrow: but it won't
Morrow: you just so fear enstilled you defy logic, reason, and laws
yakmon: i'll stick up if they run the s/n of that gun and it dosnt come up to me
yakmon: and get hammered
Morrow: and you just follow the liberals in CA
Morrow: like sheep
Morrow: when there's absolutely no reason
Morrow: but hey
yakmon: no reason to follow law?
Morrow: whatever helsp you sleep at night, i guess
Morrow: anyways
Morrow: i'm done
Morrow: you're too dumb or something to realize the laws
Morrow: so
Morrow: whatever
Morrow: gg
yakmon: i guess we agree to disagree
yakmon: if you wont listen to my arguement
Morrow: again, I am done with this conversation



critiques welcomed!

[Bobula]

cliffs notes? I'm not reading that

[lorax3]

Glad you replaced that word with a more friendlier term before I had to go and fix it for you.

It is true that from a practical standpoint it would be difficult to trace guns coming from out of state should you have some reasonable way to acquire them, out of state death etc.

This of course does not make it legal. Some have the mindset that it is okay as long as you do not get caught. Others will abide because doing illegal things seems immoral and that alone is a good enough reason to stay within the law.

[alex00]

critiques welcomed!

It's kind of hard to read, and I'd get rid of the N-bomb.

[Tacom]

Reading that hurt my head.

[yakmon]

sorry about that, i edited it out as fast as possible,

cliff notes:
i bought a 45 according to cal law, dros and such
and i get grief over it from someone in another state because he thinks going through an ffl for a handgun transfer is unconstitutonal

[Doheny]

TLTR

[yakmon]

i guess i also counted on the cuss filter to catch the n-bomb. for that i truly apologize to anyone offended.

[Turbinator]

Next time, you really should just summarize so that we don't have to weed through your hour long chat session.

If I understand correctly per your summary in your post above, then I think you did the right thing by following the law. Laws, while unconstitutional, can still cause you big grief if not followed. We are fighting this, and fighting it the right way through the right channels. Civil disobedience is fine, but just be aware that it comes with a price, which could be jail time and legal fees. For now, I think you are fine with following the law.

Turby

[vormav]

Your friend likes to call you a retard and a moron more than one should. Still, its kind of funny to see someone tell another person who is following all applicable laws that they dont know anything about law. Breaking the law isn't the way to go about getting the law changed, you did the right thing there

[cannon]

Do what you need to do to keep your hips from in front of the judge. If others don't agree with that. They can do whatever they want.

You can send them smokes after their visit with the judge.

[Sinixstar]

i didn't even bother reading the whole thing. I got this far:

Morrow: all you say is you bought it in another state years ago, or it was given to you, then it's not illegal

WRONG.
If you buy a handgun in another state, and bring it into California - you have to file the personal import declaration. Using that excuse on handguns is basically admitting you broke the law.

Thanks for playing "Morrow". Don't drop the soap.

[Mute]

You should always follow the law, however, there are indeed legally owned handguns that are not registered. Either way, no need to justify following the law.

[Nodda Duma]

Isn't it a federal law which governs an out of state transfer? If I live in Nevada, I can't just go to Arizona and buy a gun face-to-face...In this example, doesn't it have to legally go through a dealer if I'm not an AZ resident?

-Jason

[Stealth]

TLDR