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  • C123K_LoadMaster
    Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 230

    War soaks up bullets; police feel shortage

    War soaks up bullets; police feel shortageSHIPMENTS DELAYED, PRICES INCREASINGBy Rodney Foo
    Mercury News
    San Jose Mercury NewsArticle Launched:04/08/2007 0115 AM PDT

    Police departments in the South Bay and around the country are encountering a nagging side effect from the U.S. military's long overseas missions: It's getting more difficult to obtain bullets.

    The shortage, also being fueled by an unprecedented rise in the price of raw materials, is not so severe that local law enforcement agencies risk running out of bullets. But departments in Santa Clara County have agreed to share ammo if any of them runs low.

    From California to Florida, police range masters say they are seeing ammunition shipments that once took only 45 days to arrive now take four to six months.

    "It has become a nightmare," said Sgt. Don Moore, San Jose police range master.

    To cope with the delays, police have been increasing their ammunition orders, replenishing storerooms to the limit. In January, the San Jose budget office disclosed to city council members that police were seeking an extra $44,000 to buy ammunition. In the fiscal year 2005-06, police spent $199,000 for bullets.

    In the past six months, the department has used about 600,000 rounds in training and in marksmanship qualification tests; police rarely fire their guns in the field.

    The ammunition shortages stem from a new reality in the post-Sept. 11, 2001, era: The U.S. military is firing its weapons at a breakneck pace.

    Big changes

    When Alliant Techsystems - the parent company of Federal, the nation's largest small-caliber ammunition manufacturer - was contracted to operate the Department of Defense's Lake City, Mo., Army ammunition plant more than five years ago, it was churning out 350 million rounds annually.

    How things have changed: From March 2005 to March 2006, about 1.3 billion rounds were made at the plant, said Alliant Tech spokesman Bryce Hallowell.

    And according to February budget documents, the Army proposed to contract for an additional 300 million rounds from commercial manufacturers.

    The military's need for more ammo, especially .223 Remington and 9mm cartridges, puts it in direct competition with police departments. San Jose's special weapons and tactics teams use the high velocity, flat trajectory .223 rounds in their carbines. Most San Jose officers use 9mm-caliber semiautomatic guns with clips that carry 15 to 17 rounds.

    But when it comes to ammunition orders, Uncle Sam is first in line, industry officials say.

    "If something comes down, the military ammunition is always going to get first call," said Eddie Stevenson, a spokesman for Remington, the Madison, N.C.-based gun and ammo manufacturer.

    Peter Arment, a defense industry analyst for Rhode Island-based JSA Research Inc., said the military has "absorbed a lot of the capacity in the industry, and the industry has been trying to bring more capacity on line but not on as rapid a pace that is needed."

    Combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan account for some of the increase. But the rise also stems from the Army's post-Sept. 11 emphasis on improving marksmanship. Arment estimates that 90 percent of the Army's ammo is fired during training.

    With a tight domestic market, Moore said some ammunition distributors are purchasing foreign-made ammo and passing the increased cost - additional shipping and import fees - on to customers.

    Prices increasing

    During the past 2 1/2 years, as demand for copper and brass have surged in China and India, prices for the metals, which are used to make bullet jackets and casings, have almost quadrupled. The main component of most bullets is lead, and its price has doubled. The cost of tungsten, a component of armor-piercing bullets, has tripled.

    No matter what, all that's certain is the cost of small-caliber ammo will rise as the worldwide demand for raw materials rises.

    "All we've been told is the price will go up," San Diego police range master Ralph Garcia said. "We don't know how much."

    Manufacturers say there is no shortage of ammo on the domestic market but acknowledge that military demand has made some calibers harder to find.

    "The war is having some effect in a few calibers we do manufacture - not all calibers," said Ann Pipkin, a spokeswoman for Olin Corp., which produces Winchester Ammunition.

    Pipkin cited the .223 Remington, used in M-16s, the Army's primary infantry rifle, as one of the calibers affected.

    The Tulsa, Okla., police department has also experienced delays in ammo shipments. Orders that took 30 to 45 days to fill now take about three to four months, said officer Jason Willingham, a department spokesman.

    "It is a concern as of right now, but it has not affected operations," Willingham said.

    Miami Police Department spokeswoman officer Martha Carbana reported similar delays in getting ammo shipments.

    "It's not an immediate problem for us, but there is a delay where normally that wait didn't exist," Carbana said.

    Over at the Milpitas Shooting Range Target Masters West, owner Bill Heskett said he's experienced about five delays in ammunition shipments the last three years, but he said, "It's no big deal."

    "Sometimes it's specific manufacturers," he said. "I know the war in Iraq has sucked up a lot of ammo."

    Heskett used to keep a two-week inventory, but now he tries to keep a month's supply on hand to tide him over when deliveries are uncertain.

    Need to stay sharp

    The impact on San Jose officers has been negligible, officials say. However, target ammo is a staple for all officers - including the chief - who have to pass mandated marksmanship tests every six months. So they need to stay sharp by practicing.

    But no matter how difficult it has been to obtain ammo, none of the departments contacted begrudged the Army from getting first in line for bullets.

    "I want our military guys to have all the ammo they need," Moore said. "They're in a fight every day of their lives."

    Mercury News Staff Writer Sean Webby contributed to this report. Contact Rodney Foo at rfoo@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5258.
  • #2
    The Soup Nazi
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2006
    • 2455

    Solution: Make more ammunition manufacturing plants. Everyone benefits.

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    • #3
      50 Freak
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 3412

      Or they can be like the rest of us and shoot 22s or whatever surplus that is available.
      I'm Rick James...Be-otch!!!!

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      • #4
        WokMaster1
        Part time Emperor
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Mar 2006
        • 5436

        hi cap semi auto slingshots

        OR
        AM has said that a pistol grip allows an officer (shooter) to shoot without reloading. Last I checked, at least my pistols all have pistol grips & so does my ARs (OLL). So I really don't see any relevance in this article. Trust the DOJ
        "Good friends, good food & good wine. Anything else is just a waste of soy sauce.":)

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        • #5
          HeHateMe
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2005
          • 551

          I'd like to see some officers issued 8mm Mausers and 7.62X54R Nagants...haha.
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          • #6
            Gshock
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2007
            • 606

            for the past 20 years there has always been some sort of "shortage "of something causing ammo prices to go up, raw materials prices, primer shortage, rent increases...etc. I think it's all a load of crap, just like every time it rains or someone sneezes funny, the price of gas goes up
            Originally posted by Theseus
            My friends and I used to spray each other with pepper spray to build up an immunity. . . It didn't work.

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            • #7
              CalNRA
              Calguns Addict
              • Apr 2006
              • 8686

              Originally posted by 50 Freak
              Or they can be like the rest of us and shoot 22s or whatever surplus that is available.
              bingo.

              There are many fine 22 pistols available for training purposes. The way I have seen many cops shoot at different ranges, they need to shoot 22s for a few years before wasting tax-payers money on 40SW and 9mm ammo.
              Originally posted by cvigue
              This is not rocket surgery.

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              • #8
                Socal858
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2006
                • 2177

                Originally posted by HeHateMe
                I'd like to see some officers issued 8mm Mausers and 7.62X54R Nagants...haha.
                if the news showed PD going medieval on gangbangers with nagants and the bigass fireballs, then crime will HALT.

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                • #9
                  SnWnMe
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 6897

                  What do they need ammo for? The bans cleared the streets of guns didn't they?
                  Frank Da Tank

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                  • #10
                    Bolt2Bounce
                    Member
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 228

                    What about Fuel prices causing higher prices??....Boo-hoo, poor cops don't have enough Ammo to shoot suspects with. I guess they have to beat them down with their batons instead... if they didn't miss so often, they'd have enough ammo.. 18% hit ratio is proof (most cops) suck with their duty weapons. There is no shortage of ammo in the US or overseas.....trust me I've been stationed at a large US Army ammo storage bases (post) our boys have lots of BB's. it's a scam companies are jacking up their prices to make higher profits cause they can, now metal prices are sky high that is true, fuel prices are sky high that is also true, but the is not a shortage of ammo causing spikes in cost, it's people panicking as far as ammo goes, and that drive up the prices.... B2B
                    Last edited by Bolt2Bounce; 04-08-2007, 2:34 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Matt C
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 7128

                      San Jose's special weapons and tactics teams use the high velocity, flat trajectory .223 rounds in their carbines. Most San Jose officers use 9mm-caliber semiautomatic guns with clips that carry 15 to 17 rounds.
                      Heheh, good to see that reporters still don't know jack about guns.
                      I do not provide legal services or practice law (yet).

                      The troublemaker formerly known as Blackwater OPS.

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                      • #12
                        anonymous
                        Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 119

                        Originally posted by Gshock
                        for the past 20 years there has always been some sort of "shortage "of something causing ammo prices to go up, raw materials prices, primer shortage, rent increases...etc. I think it's all a load of crap, just like every time it rains or someone sneezes funny, the price of gas goes up
                        Uhhh, have you been to China or India lately? Their economies are growing at 8-11% GDP annually.

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                        • #13
                          anonymous
                          Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 119

                          Originally posted by Blackwater OPS
                          Heheh, good to see that reporters still don't know jack about guns.
                          Or physics...but reporters really don't know jack about anything, except reporting. They are messengers or everything and experts in nothing.

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                          • #14
                            m1aowner
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 2300

                            What else is new??

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                            • #15
                              mike100
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jul 2006
                              • 2507

                              No doubt training and various engagements use a fair amount of ammo, but why was there no run on ammo 4 or 5 years ago when the war started? Did it take that long to deplete stores and surplus? The operation now is mostly occupational..I can still see a lot of practice on base here and abroad..more so than peace time, but I doubt the logistics would have allowed inventories to drop significantly.

                              Maybe these PD's just need to suck it up and get the commercial ammo for 50 cents a pop like the public does...or perhaps they'l just take it from regular joes like the guy with a million rounds in his garage.

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