Preban/Postban ?

[glockk9mm]

What is the difference between the preban and postban uppers? I noticed that in stags website they state that preban rifles are Illegal in some states and that they have postban configurations. Whats the difference? And does this state have anything regulating preban's? I just got into the black rifle scene not too long ago so I dont quite understand this pre/postban thing.

[69Mach1]

What is the difference between the preban and postban uppers? I noticed that in stags website they state that preban rifles are Illegal in some states and that they have postban configurations. Whats the difference? And does this state have anything regulating preban's? I just got into the black rifle scene not too long ago so I dont quite understand this pre/postban thing.

Preban refers to uppers with bayonet lugs, and threaded muzzles. Post ban uppers have both of those removed. The Federal AW ban, which prohibited a semi auto rifle with more than two "evil" features is now defunct. In Cali, you are not allowed any "evil" features if you have a detachable magazine, centerfire rifle.

[hoffmang]

However, threaded barrels and bayonet lugs are not evil features for California law as it pertains to rifles.

-Gene

[randy]

I can only tell you about AR's

It was in 94 Clinton passed the Crime debacle that banned guns with evil features. Evil features are or were bayonet lugs, Flash suppressors, and folding/colapsable stocks. Remember this is for AR's I don't know about others.

After the ban went into effect there would be two Colts next to each other one with all the evil features and the other without any. Both shot the same round, had the same rate of fire, used the same mags blah blah blah. But because of the date of manufacture the "pre ban" was worth alot more$$$.

In CA before the sunset of the Clinton crime debacle you had register your AR in pre ban form you had to comply with the feds after the sunset of the debacle you could put on all the sheet metal, dodads and gizmoes along with the "evil features" of pre ban. I'm sure somebody will have something to add to this or correct me if I am wrong.

[69Mach1]

However, threaded barrels and bayonet lugs are not evil features for California law as it pertains to rifles.

-Gene

Yeah, what he said. Thanks for the clarification.

[Technical Ted]

From AR15.com

http://www.ar15.com/content/legal/preORpost.html

Definitions of Assault Weapons under the Federal Assault Weapon Ban that was in effect from September 14, 1994 to September 14, 2004. Notice that, for rifles, the Fed law allows for a detachable magazine AND one "evil feature". Two "evil features and the rifle is considered an Assault Weapon. Also note that there is no difference between

So what, you say, is a "Semiautomatic Assault Weapon"? The law (Section 921 (a) (30), Title 18 U.S.C.) defines it as so:[*] 1 Any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as;

• Norinco, Mitchell, Poly Technologies, Avtomat Kalashinikovs.
• Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI, Galil.
• Beretta Ar70 (SC-70).
• Colt AR-15
• Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, FNC.
• SWD M-10, M-11, M-11-9, M-12.
• Steyr AUG.
• Intratec TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22.
• Revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12.

2 Any semiautomatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of the following features:

• a folding or telescoping stock.
• a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
• a bayonet mount.
• a flash suppressor or a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor.
• a grenade launcher.

3 A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of the following features:

• an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip.
• a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer.
• a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned.
• a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded.
• a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.

4 A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of the following features:

• a folding or telescoping stock.
• a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
• a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds.
• an ability to accept a detachable magazine

The definition of an Assault Weapon under CA PC 12276.1 has subtle differences. Foremost is that it specifies that semi-automatic centerfire rifles with detachable magazines and ANY one of the specified evil features is considered an Assault Weapon. California's Assault Weapon ban does not include threaded barrels and bayonet lugs as "evil features" pertaining to Assault Weapon rifles.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12275.php?PHPSESSID=7cd206922c2b83c84a2d7e9ea291242c

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:

(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.

(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

[glockk9mm]

So if I bought the 1h preban stag upper I wouldn't have a problem owning it in california for my legal oll locked mag rifle?

[stevie]

So if I bought the 1h preban stag upper I wouldn't have a problem owning it in california for my legal oll locked mag rifle?

Correct, as long as the mag is locked in place requiring tool for removal and mag capacity is limited to 10 rounds or less.

[glockk9mm]

Thanks for making this clear to me.