Which 50 caliber varient?

[TheRossRocket]

Sorry if this is a repost but I couldn't find it.

Anyway, Which would you choose and why?

510 dtc
416 barrett
460 steyr
or
something else?

Which one, which rifle and why.

[50 Shooter]

50 DTC with the EDM spec dies/chamber.

There are three people that I know of making ammo for it, it uses all the same components as the 50 BMG. Just about every Mfg. that makes .50's will make one in 50 DTC or you can have it shipped to a gunsmith/barrel Mfg. out of state and have it rechambered to 50 DTC and then shipped here.

.416 Barrett is costly, they're the only Co. that I know of that's making rifles chambered for it. You can find a couple companies that make AR uppers that are selling them. You can make your own brass out of 50 BMG but the sizing dies aren't cheap.

460 Steyr is a bust, not going anywhere and I wouldn't even waste my money on it. I think the rounds are $9 EACH and I think the only Co. selling supplies is AAA-Aummunition.

[Josh3239]

Looks like your shooting for a longer range, high accuracy cartridge? I guess that rules out the Beowulf or an M2

[TheRossRocket]

50 DTC with the EDM spec dies/chamber.

There are three people that I know of making ammo for it, it uses all the same components as the 50 BMG. Just about every Mfg. that makes .50's will make one in 50 DTC or you can have it shipped to a gunsmith/barrel Mfg. out of state and have it rechambered to 50 DTC and then shipped here.

I know some stuff about the 50's but sadly not enough, could you enlighten me on the "EDM spec dies/chamber" please? also what is the difference between the 50 dtc and the 510 dtc?

Looks like your shooting for a longer range, high accuracy cartridge? I guess that rules out the Beowulf or an M2

Yes, I definetly want accuracy! no pray and spray...lol




Thank you.

[five.five-six]

.338 lapua.....

[EBR Works]

Some things for you to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.510_DTC_EUROP

http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/RefReloading50DTC

[TheRossRocket]

Some things for you to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.510_DTC_EUROP

http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/RefReloading50DTC

Thank you! That is just the kind of information I was looking for!

[50 Shooter]

50 DTC and 510 DTC are the same thing, when Eric Danis offered up his version of the 50 DTC Euro, things got lost in translation. There are actually 3 different types of 50 DTC, EDM ARMS was the first to offer a rifle in 50 DTC. People either call it 50 DTC or 510 DTC, same thing nothing different.

When the specs for the dies were sent to the die maker there was a mistake when the plans were translated. The other set was made with a different spec and so we ended up with yet another die set. After some discussion between Mfg's, the EDM set became the standard to use.

The 50 Beowulf is NOT in the same league as 50 Cal as it's a pistol cartridge but the M2 is perfectly fine. I think people see .50 and automatically assume it's in the same catagory. The M2 was never designed to be a weapon for target shooting, it was made to shoot into a beaten zone. If you had the bad luck of being in that zone then your azz was in for some hurt.

If you want accuracy then you'll want a bolt gun capable of this, ammo suitable and the shooter has to do his part. Just because you go out and spend X amout of dollars for a badass .50 doesn't mean squat if you can't shoot. Then there's the cost of shooting match grade ammo, if you don't reload you'll be looking at about $5 min per round.

[C.G.]

You haven't really mentioned what you'd like to do with the rifle, that would make it easier to recommend one.

[ETD1010]

.338 lapua.....

+1 I love this cartridge.

[CALI-gula]

50 DTC with the EDM spec dies/chamber.

There are three people that I know of making ammo for it, it uses all the same components as the 50 BMG. Just about every Mfg. that makes .50's will make one in 50 DTC or you can have it shipped to a gunsmith/barrel Mfg. out of state and have it rechambered to 50 DTC and then shipped here.

.416 Barrett is costly, they're the only Co. that I know of that's making rifles chambered for it. You can find a couple companies that make AR uppers that are selling them. You can make your own brass out of 50 BMG but the sizing dies aren't cheap.

460 Steyr is a bust, not going anywhere and I wouldn't even waste my money on it. I think the rounds are $9 EACH and I think the only Co. selling supplies is AAA-Aummunition.

I agree with all of the above for the same reasons: .50 DTC is the way to go.

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[CALI-gula]

50 DTC and 510 DTC are the same thing, when Eric Danis offered up his version of the 50 DTC Euro, things got lost in translation. There are actually 3 different types of 50 DTC, EDM ARMS was the first to offer a rifle in 50 DTC. People either call it 50 DTC or 510 DTC, same thing nothing different.

When the specs for the dies were sent to the die maker there was a mistake when the plans were translated. The other set was made with a different spec and so we ended up with yet another die set. After some discussion between Mfg's, the EDM set became the standard to use.

I believe the actual history of these events as they unfolded and the arguments about the differences in the sharp vs. rounded shoulder in the different "DTCs" between the actual players between Eric, Tom Miller, among others, can still be found as old posts on Biggerhammer - about 3 to 4 years old now?

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[EBR Works]

Here's a video of a friend's young daughter shooting my Ferret50 in DTC. With an effective brake, BMG/DTC is very comfortable to shoot. If you reload, you can get your cost per round down to $1.20-$1.90 depending on the projectile you select. It is identical to BMG in ballistics and uses the same load data. Some would say that it is a superior cartridge design compared to BMG for accuracy shooting, but this is unproven so far. It's very easy to load for and the brass seems to last well past 10 loadings since there is minimal case stretching, unlike BMG. I have some brass that are on their 10th loading at near maximum charges and only now need to be trimmed.



I also have a .50 Beowulf, but it is just a plinker by comparison with an effective range under 200 yards and muzzle energy of 1/5th that of DTC/BMG. That being said, it is a spectacular caliber for it's intended purpose and having a lightweight M4 pattern gun in .50 can be very useful for pigs, overweight zombies, vehicles, etc. I have found reloading the round to be aggravating with spotty availability of components.

An M2HB in BMG is joining the family soon...

[TheRossRocket]

50 DTC it is! Thank you guys! Now, on to the rifle... I was thinking of maybe a single shot upper for my ar but I am open to any suggestions!

You haven't really mentioned what you'd like to do with the rifle, that would make it easier to recommend one.

I originally wanted the 50 for long range shooting but I have been starting to entertain the thought of hunting with it and I am liking the thought more and more everytime.

Just because you go out and spend X amout of dollars for a badass .50 doesn't mean squat if you can't shoot. Then there's the cost of shooting match grade ammo, if you don't reload you'll be looking at about $5 min per round.

Exactly!
I know alot of people that by rifles thinking that the rifle does all the work, its not the rifle it's the shooter.

I do plan on reloading though.