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  • #16
    ocjimmy
    Junior Member
    • Aug 2003
    • 8

    Originally posted by icormba:
    I do not know one single person who has left this state just because of stupid retarded gun laws. And I can't figure out why traffic is even worse today than last year if millions are moving out? And why have house prices not gone down?
    As you suspect, there are a multitude of reasons I am leaving. I intend to transition my sole propriatership to small business with employees. Can't do that in CA with the insane Workmans comp and anti-business laws about to go into effect. I'd go from a healthy profit to immediate defecit. I'd need to do three to four times the work to simply break even. Each new employee would increase my overhead rather than help earn more money.

    Traffic is worse, in large part, due to the 2,000,000+ illegal aliens infiltrating CA on an annual basis. combine that with the sheer incompetence of the LA city government and you have a perfect recipe for the disaster we are facing.

    House prices are so high most upper middle class can't even afford new housing. The main reason for the extreme jump here is the inability to build new housing. Where do you go besides the inland empire?

    I do quite well, but I can't afford a 3 bedroom home in the bad side of town for $600+. My goal is to own several homes and use them for income. Can't easily do that here.

    No, it's not just one thing, but it's a combination of many things. I truly feel pity for those who are myopic to the impending collapse in the housing and small-business sectors of the local economy. What happens in 4 more years when all of these interest only loans require interest + Principal. Foreclosure central.

    All the best!

    Jim

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    • #17
      shooterx10
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 627

      I personally know of several people I used shoot action pistol with that have moved out of this Commie State because of the gun laws. One moved to Vegas, got his CCW, shoots at a range that is open 24 hours, and works at a casino. Free buffet food, flexible hours, and in an air conditioned building. Yes, he might have taken a paycut, but it's just right in line with the cost of living. The other gentlemen (retired) moved to Oregon, bought a ranch and probably uses his yard as his private shooting range.

      Every year it gets worse. One day, some wacko psycho or gangbanger goes ballistic and starts killing a bunch of people (i.e. 1989 Stockton school murders). Look for more anti-gun laws to come down the pipeline and confiscation is just around the corner. So, are you going to willfully turn in your guns like the good subject of this Commie State?

      Oh geez, if you have not heard already, San Francisco is already headed down that way with it's gun ban!

      Arizona is the best! It's home to Dillon Precision and my shooting heroes: Brian Enos, Matt Burkett, and Rob Leatham. I'd move there in a heartbeat if I can, especially to Sedona or Scottsdale.
      Psalm 144:1 - "Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle."

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      • #18
        Mike
        Member
        • Jun 2003
        • 111

        Jimmy,
        Sincerely, I wish you the best of luck. There are others here that are moving to AZ as well. I had to come here to CA due to work reasons, and had the foresight to buy a home 2 1/2 years ago rather than rent. During escrow prices around my house rose 20 grand. My house is now on the market, and I am buying a home in NC, IN CASH, with the proceeds of this sale. I do not need to bring up any reasons to leave here, as they are quite obvious.
        It's going to be quite nice to be able to buy a RR M16 as my first firearms purchase in NC.

        Again, I wish you the best.

        Mike

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        • #19
          Mike
          Member
          • Jun 2003
          • 111

          Flagstaff is really pretty country as well.

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          • #20
            bwiese
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Oct 2005
            • 27616

            ... truly feel pity for those who are myopic to the impending collapse in the housing and small-business sectors of the local economy. What happens in 4 more years when all of these interest only loans require interest + Principal. Foreclosure central.
            Maybe in smaller/remote areas, yes. But Bay Area real estate will, at worst, drop 1-2% or just not grow for a year or two if things slow + rates rise.

            I doubt that foreclosure activity will significantly increase in Bay Area. Even in the pits of the 2001 recession it was fairly limited - someone else was there to snap up the house before it went into foreclosure. And lenders hat e to let things go into foreclosure - they can't sell foreclosed homes effectively and would rather be a bit cooperative w/mortgagees with problems.

            People are moving into Bay Area and buying homes. There's an internal natural growth rate in this region, plus growth from move-ins. Compared w/housing stock supply amount and lack of growth, there's a continued divergence.

            The overall Bay Area economy is quite a bit bigger than it was in the boom times of 2000. There's very limited housing supply in various price ranges, esp ones w/decent school systems (today: decent school = one you don't get mugged in, and has no busing).

            The businesses that stay here will be the ones requiring smart adaptable folks with lots of skills & education, and businessess to support these folks will charge accordingly.

            If you're starting up a brainpower-based co, this is still (and will continue to be) the place to do it.

            Bill Wiese
            San Jose

            Bill Wiese
            San Jose, CA

            CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
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            • #21
              dave3006
              Junior Member
              • Jun 2004
              • 89

              I tend to agree with Jim. I envy the person that can buy a home with cash in a free state. I could do the same if my wife was of the same mind.

              I am more pessimistic about the economy and the housing bubble. America borrows $1.5B a day. As soon as the Chinese start selling dollars, our currency will collapse and housing will go with it. I have no idea when it will happen. But, I believe it will. It is just common sense. In the end, we will get what we deserve financially. No country in the history of the world has run up the debt the way we have. No doubt, a large part of it is due to the socialist nature of our government that is causing gunowners so much grief.

              Massive pain is coming to the USA due to our willingness to allow a gov't out of control live beyond it's means.

              (Just my opinion. I could be wrong.)

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              • #22
                jnojr
                Calguns Addict
                • Oct 2005
                • 8063

                Originally posted by bwiese:

                Maybe in smaller/remote areas, yes. But Bay Area real estate will, at worst, drop 1-2% or just not grow for a year or two if things slow + rates rise.
                The Bay Area appreciated faster and more than several other areas, and lost thousands of jobs with the dot-com crash.

                The nearly-inevitable "crash" or "readjustment" isn't a statement that people are no longer willing to buy houses... it's because a lot of the people who own houses now bought houses they cannot afford. When the ARMs and inteerst-only mortgages come due, while interest rates rise, a lot of people who were barely scraping by will suddenly see their payment go up by 50% or more. They'll have to panic-sell or face foreclosure.

                I doubt that foreclosure activity will significantly increase in Bay Area. Even in the pits of the 2001 recession it was fairly limited - someone else was there to snap up the house before it went into foreclosure.
                Yes... speculators! Who are paying more in mortgage payments than they can collect from rents.

                And lenders hate to let things go into foreclosure - they can't sell foreclosed homes effectively and would rather be a bit cooperative w/mortgagees with problems.
                Lenders will have no choice but to foreclose... you can't send out $4000 bills, collect $2500 or less, and stay in business.

                People are moving into Bay Area and buying homes. There's an internal natural growth rate in this region, plus growth from move-ins. Compared w/housing stock supply amount and lack of growth, there's a continued divergence.
                But if/when prices collapse in the outlying areas, people will have a choice... buy the $900,000 dump in the city, or buy the $350,000 newly-depreciated house an hour or two away, and deal with the commute.

                You have to look at how far housing prices have oustripped incomes. In San Diego County, in order to afford a median-priced home (roughtly $550K), a family needs something like $140K in yearly income. That's about 10% of households. So, everyone who makes less but is still buying today (or bought in the past year, 18 months or so) is in a house they cannot afford. They're hanging on by a fingernail. If they have a fixed-rate mortgage, and if their job isn't outsourced or eliminated, they'll be OK. But way too many people who bought in the past couple of years have done so with "alternative financing", and are going to have to pay the piper.


                San Diego FFLs | San Diego ranges
                I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. --Thomas Jefferson
                ** I had my San Diego County CCW... you can, too!

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                • #23
                  jnojr
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 8063

                  Originally posted by dave3006:
                  I am more pessimistic about the economy and the housing bubble. America borrows $1.5B a day. As soon as the Chinese start selling dollars, our currency will collapse and housing will go with it. I have no idea when it will happen. But, I believe it will. It is just common sense.
                  It would be against China's interests to collapse our economy. We're the biggest consumer of their goods, and the (or a large part of the) driving force behind their economy.

                  The housing market is just about going to have to correct itself regardless... a market where 10% of households can actually afford to buy just isn't sustainable.

                  In the end, we will get what we deserve financially. No country in the history of the world has run up the debt the way we have. No doubt, a large part of it is due to the socialist nature of our government that is causing gunowners so much grief.

                  Massive pain is coming to the USA due to our willingness to allow a gov't out of control live beyond it's means.
                  I agree with you here. Americans are terrible at saving and great at spending money we don't have, and that's gonna bite us hard.


                  San Diego FFLs | San Diego ranges
                  I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. --Thomas Jefferson
                  ** I had my San Diego County CCW... you can, too!

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                  • #24
                    jester
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 855

                    I will probably be leaving in a couple of years too..
                    I bought my condo 2 years ago for $118k, and in that time it has grown to $300k, which is my stake for a real house out of state when the time comes.

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                    • #25
                      dave3006
                      Junior Member
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 89

                      I agree that the Chinese probably won't pull the plug intentionally. They are currently trying to take the dollars they have and buy tangible assets like IBM, Canadian Gold mines, and Unocal.

                      What I think is happening that many Asian countries are trying to QUIETLY head towards the "exit" door on the dollar. At some point, it will be obvious to all and then a panic will unintentionally start. Because the dollar is nothing but a "promise to pay" by the US governement, it will collapse due to a lack of confidence.

                      (100% opinion. Only time will tell.)

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                      • #26
                        imported_dadoody
                        Member
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 148

                        Hey, I just looked into some empty lots, and am contemplating land developing, but you guys WOULD NOT believe how expensive developing is in CA. I can see why there's not as much development going on as we'd like to see.

                        The 3 biggest reasons why developing is so expensive that I've found right now are:

                        1.) CA regulations/taxations/various laws are very cumbersome and expensive.
                        2.) Over priced land values. Even desert is over priced.
                        3.) Cost of construction goods + taxation of said goods plus the previous 2 are breaking my balls here.

                        How the hell can I develop anything with conditions like these.

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                        • #27
                          Bling Bling
                          Member
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 298

                          Bay area real estate is humorous to me. Only 8% of the poplulation can afford to buy a house! Factor out the 1-2% that are independently wealthy anyway and that gives you 6-7 hard working americans that can buy a house out of 100.

                          Then look at what you actually get. A 30-50 year old house that will run you $$ to fix up in the next 20-30 years. Check out this crapshack for $400k! http://www.craigslist.org/sby/rfs/83973732.html
                          It's a townhouse!

                          A friend just got a custom built home in MO on a golf course, 4000 sq foot on an acre of land for $500k. I can't even find a decent townhouse for that here!

                          We need to support our friends moving out of CA. If they are successful, they can prove to big business that CA is not worth it and hopefully they will move too, making easier for everyone to move out.

                          Hoping for things to get better here seems pathetic to me. Even our own party is abandoning us.

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                          • #28
                            imported_dadoody
                            Member
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 148

                            for things to get better here seems pathetic to me. Even our own party is abandoning us.
                            I found a state where my income will more than match my quality of life: Washington state. I can make 70k in IT, yet buying a house won't break my balls.

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                            • #29
                              bwiese
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 27616

                              Hey Bling...

                              Originally posted by Bling Bling:
                              A friend just got a custom built home in MO on a golf course, 4000 sq foot on an acre of land for $500k. I can't even find a decent townhouse for that here!
                              Not many people in MO can afford that, though.
                              That's an expensive place for the area: I'd bet avg salaries there are only btwn 1/2 - 2/3 of here.


                              BTW, that $399K townhouse you pointed to is not too far from my area. It's actually a pretty sucky area. Wouldn't walk around there at night without 'adequate measures' - gang-tainted little apt complexes w/Section 8 renters surround it.

                              Bill Wiese
                              San Jose

                              Bill Wiese
                              San Jose, CA

                              CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
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                              to be construed as formal or informal positions of the Calguns.Net
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                              employer. No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as
                              legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                              • #30
                                50 Freak
                                Veteran Member
                                • Oct 2005
                                • 3412

                                Well guess it's time for my 2 cents.

                                Kali sucks!!!!!!!!!

                                If it weren't for the great weather, hot women, good paying jobs and family ties. I'd be living in some rural area in Oregon with a range on my property and a river.

                                I went through the "gotta buy a house" stage and almost bought a couple of properties. Luckily I was outbid (35% over asking price for a piece of crap that should have been condemned). Anyways, renting right now is pretty damn cheap and plentiful. As long as it stays that way, I'm renting. I pay about 30% of what a mortage payment would be for a "decent" 2 bedroom crap home. I pocket the rest of the cash I save and am waiting for the upcoming housing bubble burst or invasion from China. Which ever comes first. Either way, I'm ready to rock and roll baby.

                                On a side note. For those of us that have been collecting for a good number of years, living in Kali isn't so bad as we already have our toys. And really, how many AR's does one really need (this means you Bill!!!

                                It just sucks for the new collectors. Hard to hear about AK's selling for $200 bucks. When you can't even have a decent autoloader (other than a SKS) for under $600 bucks.
                                I'm Rick James...Be-otch!!!!

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