Crooked FFL?

[Noah3683]

Hey guys, I'm not 100% certain on this, but isn't there a law in regards to how much an ffl is allowed to charge on a PPT? A friend I work with was just telling me that he did a PPT transfer for a ruger 9mm his uncle was giving him. Anyway, he was complaining about how expensive it was and I was pretty much thinking in my head "Oh god you're crying over $35" then he dropped the bomb on me. $160 for transfer and HSC. So that equals out to $135 for the PPT! Now I do know that the owner of the shop is a complete a-hole.... Enough so that I will drive 50 miles to CWS or 90 miles to Riflegear if I must just to avoid this place, but I'm not one to bash without knowing if for sure whether this is legal? Even if legal it seems quite unethical. I could understand more for having an order shipped in since many charge $85 and up. The place I usually use is $50 + dros, but they won't touch ar's

[hoozaru]

name of the FFL or it didn't happen

[Noah3683]

Well since you guys say it's illegal. I'll name him and have no qualms about it. considering I will never do business there anyway. it would be Drew's Precision & Reloading. Victorville, CA

[Cokebottle]

Double ditto.

FFL transfers, they can charge whatever they want (Turners is around $125 plus DROS)... but PPT/FTF are limited by law to $25 DROS plus $10.

Clarify if this was a face to face PPT, or if it was shipped in from a private party elsewhere... if it's shipped in, it's not a PPT, it's a FFL transfer.

[Noah3683]

Double ditto.

FFL transfers, they can charge whatever they want (Turners is around $125 plus DROS)... but PPT/FTF are limited by law to $25 DROS plus $10.

Clarify if this was a face to face PPT, or if it was shipped in from a private party elsewhere... if it's shipped in, it's not a PPT, it's a FFL transfer.

Yeah I did that ahead of time. His uncle went in with him FTF

[ke6guj]

Yeah I did that ahead of time. His uncle went in with him FTF

Was the uncle a CA resident? If not, then it wasn't a PPT and there is no maximum fee. If the uncle was a CA resident, then, yes, $35 is the maximum, $25DROS + $10 dealer fee.

What fees can I charge for handling a Private Party Transfer (PPT)?
If the transaction is a PPT, you are restricted to charging no more than $25.00 in State fees described and $10.00 per firearm for conducting the PPT. For example:

a.For a PPT involving one or more handguns, the total allowable fees are $35.00 for the first handgun, and $31.00 for each subsequent handgun.
b.For PPTs involving one or more long guns, the State fees are limited to $25.00 for the whole transaction plus $10.00 dealer fee per firearm transferred.
(PC section 12082)

12082. (a) A person shall complete any sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm through a person licensed pursuant to Section 12071 in accordance with this section in order to comply with subdivision (d) of Section 12072. The seller or transferor or the person loaning the firearm shall deliver the firearm to the dealer who shall retain possession of that firearm. The dealer shall then deliver the firearm to the purchaser or transferee or the person being loaned the firearm, if it is not prohibited, in accordance with subdivision (c) of Section 12072. If the dealer cannot legally deliver the firearm to the purchaser or transferee or the person being loaned the firearm, the dealer shall forthwith, without waiting for the conclusion of the waiting period described in Sections 12071 and 12072, return the firearm to the transferor or seller or the person loaning the firearm. The dealer shall not return the firearm to the seller or transferor or the person loaning the firearm when to do so would constitute a violation of subdivision (a) of Section 12072. If the dealer cannot legally return the firearm to the transferor or seller or the person loaning the firearm, then the dealer shall forthwith deliver the firearm to the sheriff of the county or the chief of police or other head of a municipal police department of any city or city and county who shall then dispose of the firearm in the manner provided by Sections 12028 and 12032. The purchaser or transferee or person being loaned the firearm may be required by the dealer to pay a fee not to exceed ten dollars ($10) per firearm, and no other fee may be charged by the dealer for a sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm conducted pursuant to this section, except for the applicable fee that the Department of Justice may charge pursuant to Section 12076. Nothing in these provisions shall prevent a dealer from charging a smaller fee. The fee that the department may charge is the fee that would be applicable pursuant to Section 12076, if the dealer was selling, transferring, or delivering a firearm to a purchaser or transferee or a person being loaned a firearm, without any other parties being involved in the transaction.
(b) The Attorney General shall adopt regulations under this section to do all of the following:
(1) Allow the seller or transferor or the person loaning the firearm, and the purchaser or transferee or the person being loaned the firearm, to complete a sale, loan, or transfer through a dealer, and to allow those persons and the dealer to comply with the requirements of this section and Sections 12071, 12072, 12076, and 12077 and to preserve the confidentiality of those records.
(2) Where a personal handgun importer is selling or transferring a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person to comply with clause (ii) of subparagraph (A) of paragraph (2) of subdivision (f) of Section 12072, to allow a personal handgun importer's ownership of the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person being sold or transferred to be recorded in a manner that if the firearm is returned to that personal handgun importer because the sale or transfer cannot be completed, the Department of Justice will have sufficient information about that personal handgun importer so that a record of his or her ownership can be maintained in the registry provided by subdivision (c) of Section 11106.
(3) Ensure that the register or record of electronic transfer shall state the name and address of the seller or transferor of the firearm or the person loaning the firearm and whether or not the person is a personal handgun importer in addition to any other information required by Section 12077.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a dealer who does not sell, transfer, or keep an inventory of handguns is not required to process private party transfers of handguns.
(d) A violation of this section by a dealer is a misdemeanor.

If this was truly a PPT transfer and the dealer nailed him for a $110 fee on a PPT, I'd show him this law and go into the shop with CADOJ's number saved in my phone. Give him the chance to refund the overcharge or you call CADOJ.

[Noah3683]

Yes his uncle is also a CA resident. He lives 10 minutes away. I don't know if he'll pursue it or not, but it really irks me if this actually got pulled on him. The dealer has some pretty poor reviews when you do a business search on google, and he told me double the price per box than he charged my other friend for 7.62x54r ammo. He's a shady d-bag It wouldn't at all surprise me, and the guy i work with isn't the type to just make random crap up either. I don't know if there's really much to be done if he doesn't want to pursue it though. He's pretty non-confrontational. I would hate to see this keep happening to first time buyers or naive people not knowing any better

[Noah3683]

Your friend doesn't have to be the one to report him. Call the CA DOJ.

Yeah, I think I will, but aren't they gonna want direct proof, or are they just gonna document it towards past or future complaints? Anything Government run seems to be totally worthless