Proof of Residency HELP!

[Turo]

My friend is buying a new handgun, but we're having trouble figuring out the proof of residence thing. He's in college, living for the most part not at the address on his DL, but the proof of residency has to match the address on his DL. His car is registered to his parents, he doesn't get utility bills at his parents' address, and has no rental agreement at his parents' home.
Is there no possible way he can buy a handgun?

The ideas we had were: Going to the DMV and changing his address to his college house, and then using the lease agreement for the college house as his proof of residence.
The other one was to write a "Address Change" to his college house on the back of his DL and use that as his address in the DROS procedings, but then never tell DMV about it. Would that one be legal? or is it too shady?

He's really at a loss for ideas, and he doesn't want to involve his parents with a lease agreement or utility bill (They're not too excited about him owning guns.)

Help?

[NSR500]

It does not have to match the DL. My DL lists a PO Box so I provide a utility bill to show I have a house in California.

[cyclenut]

The ideas we had were: Going to the DMV and changing his address to his college house, and then using the lease agreement for the college house as his proof of residence.

This should work. You can just use the lease agreement but you have to use that address on the DROS.

Also, some FFL's accept a 3yr driving record from the DMV for proof of residency but call to make sure.

[SJgunguy24]

[QUOTE=cyclenut;4152019]This should work. You can just use the lease agreement but you have to use that address on the DROS.

Also, some FFL's accept a 3yr driving record from the DMV for proof of residency but call to make sure.[/QUOTE]

That is illegal.

The law...
33.What documentation is acceptable to demonstrate proof of residency for handgun purchasers?


■Utility bill from within the past three months that bears on its face the individual's name and either of the following:
1.The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form

or

2.The individual's residential address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
"Utility bill" means a statement of charges for providing service to the individual's residence by either a physical connection (i.e., hard wired telephone connection or cable connection, or a water or gas pipeline connection) or a telemetric connection (i.e., satellite television or radio broadcast service) to a non-mobile, fixed antenna reception device.

■Residential lease that bears the individual's name and either of the following:
1.The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form
or

2.The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification card, or change of address attachment thereto.
"Residential lease" means either of the following:

A.A signed and dated contract by which the individual (tenant)agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration for the right to occupy an abode for a specified period of time
or

B.A signed and dated rental agreement by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration at fixed intervals for the right to occupy an abode.
■Property deed the bears the individual's name and either of the following:
1.The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form
or

2.The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
"Property deed" means either or the following:

A.A valid deed of trust for the individual's property of current residence that identifies the individual as a grantee of the trust
or

B.A valid Certificate of title issued by a licensed title insurance company that identifies the individual as a title holder to his or her property of current residence.
■Current, government-issued license, permit, or registration, other than a CA Driver License or CA Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
1.The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form
or

2.The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
Examples of acceptable proof of residency:

1.Current DMV registrations.
2.Electricity, gas, cable bill with purchaser's name onit from within the last 3 months.
3.Signed, dated and notarized rental agreement/contract.Examples of documents that are NOT acceptable proof of residency:

1.Hunting or fishing license (these documents are not issued by the government).
2.Cellular phone bill.

[Cokebottle]

It does not have to match the DL. My DL lists a PO Box so I provide a utility bill to show I have a house in California.

+1

The ID is proof of who you are.
The 2nd piece is proof of residency.

[Turo]

+1

The ID is proof of who you are.
The 2nd piece is proof of residency.

Okay.

We just noticed that on the Attorney General's website it says that he may use:

Residential lease that bears both of the following:
1. The name of the transferee.
2. Either the residential address declared by the transferee on the DROS form, or the address as it appears on the transferee's CDL or CID.

So it's my understanding that he can declare his residency on the DROS as his college home, but still use his DL with his parents' home address. Right?

[Cokebottle]

Okay.

We just noticed that on the Attorney General's website it says that he may use:

So it's my understanding that he can declare his residency on the DROS as his college home, but still use his DL with his parents' home address. Right?

As long as he has documentation to support the fact that he lives at the college home, that is correct.

[Cyc Wid It]

In theory it should be okay, but a lot of gun shops don't like it if your address doesn't match your license.

[todd2968]

how about getting a CA ID card (not license ) with current address

[Josh3239]

I use my 03 FFL. Took 2 weeks for the ATF to approve and sent me my license. Also, he can go to Office Depot, even some UPS stores have lease/rent agreements forms and he and his parents can quickly write one up and he can use that.

[localguy]

I use my driver's license and vehicle registration for the DROS of all the firearms I buy. The addresses on these do not match, but the vehicle registration has my name and my most current address. This has worked for me since I changed residences.

[smarter]

If I were him I would wait to go back to his state, buy 1 or more handguns that not on CA approved list (such as XDm, Gen 4 Glocks, etc.), and when he returns back to CA register it and declare residency. Just so that the state of CA doesn't have a say in what gun he can or cannot buy. Assuming that his home state has more lenient gun laws than we do. Sell the extra guns for a premium and buy more books for the school year.

[NSR500]

If I were him I would wait to go back to his state, buy 1 or more handguns that not on CA approved list (such as XDm, Gen 4 Glocks, etc.), and when he returns back to CA register it and declare residency. Just so that the state of CA doesn't have a say in what gun he can or cannot buy. Assuming that his home state has more lenient gun laws than we do. Sell the extra guns for a premium and buy more books for the school year.

1. You don't really declare residency, you establish residency.

2. The intent to buy/sell can bring the law down on him if he gets onto someone's radar.

Out of State college students are in a unique position in California as long as they follow the letter of the law, and dot every "i", and cross every "t".
If they live in California in a residence they establish, they can buy firearms here. Upon their return to their home State for the Summer vacation, they are legal residents of their home State and can buy firearms there.
A person in this position will be legally able to bring legal firearms between California and their other State. They can also sell whatever they no longer want while present in one of their places of residence.

These students are like myself and other Calgunners who have residence in California and another State. They can enjoy this position as long as they have a legal residence in each State. (Apartment, Home, Trailer, Utility bills, State ID, Pay Taxes, etc...)

[smarter]

2. The intent to buy/sell can bring the law down on him if he gets onto someone's radar.

I'm sure as long as he doesn't bring the (insert state name) National Guard armory with him he'll be fine. I highly doubt one or two extra gun is going to make him show up on someone radar. And thanks for correcting my wording, at least you got the drift of what I was trying to get across.

[localguy]

Is his true place of residence out of state? In that case I don't think he can own a gun, at least until he has established his residency.