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  • Jim McCoin
    Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 114

    How does this work?

    Im curious why vendors don't ship over 10 round mags to cali. I know they are not legal unless you had them before the cut off date. Why does the vendor care.

    Has cali. threatend to prosecute or fine them, our state can hardly keep the lights on or the doors open, just wan't to know how it works.

    Curious Jim.
    The large print giveth, the small print taketh away.

    Tom Waits.
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    Deadbolt
    CGSSA Associate
    • Dec 2009
    • 6552

    because its a felony?


    Importation of "hi caps" is a felony. Same as if Joe Shmoe hops over to Nevada buys some 15 rounders and comes back to Ca.


    Importation / Manufacture / Offer to Sale

    big no no .
    Just another Boy and His Dog.

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    • #3
      Jim McCoin
      Member
      • Dec 2009
      • 114

      Originally posted by Deadbolt
      because its a felony?


      Importation of "hi caps" is a felony. Same as if Joe Shmoe hops over to Nevada buys some 15 rounders and comes back to Ca.


      Importation / Manufacture / Offer to Sale

      big no no .
      Im refering to the out of state vendor, does he get sued or fined? how long is the cali arm of the law?

      Jim
      The large print giveth, the small print taketh away.

      Tom Waits.

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      • #4
        quick draw mcgraw
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 716

        Probably long enough to have someone extradited for committing multiple felonies or at least have warrants out for their arrest if they ever set foot in California. Not to mention that DOJ/BATF would probably get involved since it's a firearm specific crime.
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        • #5
          CHS
          Moderator Emeritus
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Jan 2008
          • 11338

          Felonies are kinda a big deal.

          Just sayin.
          Please read the Calguns Wiki
          Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
          --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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          • #6
            aermotor
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            • Apr 2009
            • 2566

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            • #7
              bwiese
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Oct 2005
              • 27621

              California can prosecute out-of-state parties that violate CA laws when the transaction or activity crosses state lines, involves a CA resident, etc.

              See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_arm_statute

              It's not just gun stuff - CA has been active in jumping on folks selling aftermarket auto parts into CA that are not smog legal per CARB exemption and are not marked "For racing use only."

              CA generally doesn't do criminal charges for matters like this but sends a cease-and-desist order, and then files suit for subsequent violations and tries to include charges for cleaning up the situation (enforcement costs, cost of seizing goods, etc.)

              Ignore any asshat who says it's legal for a party to hang outside of a given state and ship illegal products into that other state. There definitely will be negative consequences.

              Bill Wiese
              San Jose, CA

              CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
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              legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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              • #8
                Deadbolt
                CGSSA Associate
                • Dec 2009
                • 6552

                that and since its interstate - the FBI would be lovin the situation as well
                Just another Boy and His Dog.

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                • #9
                  Ross
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 1261

                  Originally posted by Jim McCoin
                  Im refering to the out of state vendor, does he get sued or fined? how long is the cali arm of the law?

                  Jim
                  Typically when a person commits a felony, they don't get fined or sued by the state. They get extradited and then go to jail.

                  Then he gets to become somebody's ***** (other than the state's that is).
                  sigpicand as a check against tyranny." Judge Benitez - March 2019

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                  • #10
                    DaveFJ80
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 2066

                    I've seen a couple of places out of state, sell the korean KCI high cap mags to CA residents as rebuild kits. Since they're technically selling them as rebuild kits, would this be illegal or are they barely getting around the law by this?

                    Even still, that doesn't stop somebody in CA from putting them back together illegally if they really wanted to.

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                    • #11
                      Jim McCoin
                      Member
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 114

                      Thank you guy's that's wanted to know.

                      Jim
                      The large print giveth, the small print taketh away.

                      Tom Waits.

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                      • #12
                        CHS
                        Moderator Emeritus
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 11338

                        Originally posted by DaveFJ80
                        I've seen a couple of places out of state, sell the korean KCI high cap mags to CA residents as rebuild kits. Since they're technically selling them as rebuild kits, would this be illegal or are they barely getting around the law by this?

                        Even still, that doesn't stop somebody in CA from putting them back together illegally if they really wanted to.
                        They are legally selling parts.

                        It would be a felony to assemble them in California.
                        Please read the Calguns Wiki
                        Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
                        --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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                        • #13
                          Hooligan
                          Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 335

                          Originally posted by Ross
                          Typically when a person commits a felony, they don't get fined or sued by the state. They get extradited and then go to jail.
                          In the case of a Corp, who would be the "fallguy". Would they go after the CEO?
                          On the firing line- depending on the day, determines which side of the line I'm supposed to stand on!

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