Chabot Question

[csarel]

Anybody know why you cannot have more than 2 rounds in a SKS or copies of such?

[Technical Ted]

Anybody know why you cannot have more than 2 rounds in a SKS or copies of such?

Been covered several times before.

Sometime in the past, a shooter lost control of his SKS when it started to slam fire. He dropped it and took a round that killed him.

Apparently he didn't completely clean out the cosmoline from the bolt or trigger group which resulted in the trigger failing to lock back after each shot.

ETA: There was a member here who was a witness to this incident at Chabot.

[Pvt. Cowboy]

Anybody know why you cannot have more than 2 rounds in a SKS or copies of such?

Because of the incident(s) that have happened at ranges where an SKS could slam-fire for one of several reasons.

I don't know if it happened at Chabot, but the word going around for more than ten years was about someone at a CA range who loaded a 10-round stripper in his SKS, dropped the bolt closed, and the SKS slam-fired all ten rounds in the magazine with two of the rounds going into the poor guy's back after he dropped the rifle in alarm. Killed right there at the range. Quite sad.

[Rogerbutthead]

I recall hearing about an incident where someone got killed with their SKS.

Supposedly as he closed the bolt, it went full auto. This surprised the shooter so much that he dropped the SKS. It continued to "slamfire", emptying the rifle - including one through the owner's back and out his chest. He supposedly died.

See: http://www.simonov.net/uberslamfire.htm

I know one of the members of this board said he was an "expert witness" for this incident. I think it led to the Navy Arms recall on this rifle.

This is all based on my memorey of something that happened many years ago - maybe 10 to 15 years ago. Hopefully someone can verify it.

Perhaps this is the reason why Chabot has the rule.

I heard the death was at Sunnyvale Rod and Gun Club.

[csarel]

Been covered several times before..

Sorry I missed it..

Thank you for your answers!

[Dont Tread on Me]

Sometime in the past, a shooter lost control of his SKS when it started to slam fire. He dropped it and took a round that killed him.

I work at Chabot as a part-time RSO and I'm only repeating here what I was told during my training when I asked this question. I cannot speak for the club and I've asked the Rangemaster to post here if he can.

I was told that on a couple of occasions SKS rifles have gone full auto due to mechanical problems. Nobody was injured but in some cases the rifle was pushed to the shooter's left. There is a concern that this endangers other shooters hence the two round limit. There was no mention of a fatality. I belive the number of fatalities at Chabot is increadibly small.

[MotoGuy]

Doesn't say it happend at Chabot:

http://www.ccrkba.org/pub/rkba/hindsight/hs960610.html

California Accident
Almost at the same time that we received Johnson's warning, we also received a fax of a news clipping from The Sacramento Bee, which reported on the accidental death of a Roseville, CA, man, involving a slam-fire in an SKS rifle.

This was just a coincidence of timing. The rifle involved in the California accident was a Chinese-made SKS, not one of Russian manufacture. The Chinese- manufactured models apparently do not have the missing safety spring problem. In addition, it appears that the safety spring was not involved in the slam-fire.

The Bee reported that a 46-year-old man was killed in a freak and fatal accident while loading his SKS at a practice range. William Ferrante was killed instantly when the gun accidentally discharged and shot him in the face.

According to the report, the victim was being coached by a companion about the use of a strip loader used to insert cartridges into the magazine of the rifle. The rifle was pointed down-range and cradled in the companion's arms when the strip loader triggered the firing pin.

It also somehow overrode the sear that makes the SKS semi-automatic, turning the gun into full automatic fire. The recoil of the first shot kicked the muzzle into the air, and a subsequent series of shots spun it around further. A sheriff's department spokesman surmised that it was the final shot that sent the bullet into Ferrante's face.

The sheriff's department spokesman said that inspection of the rifle by authorities did not find any evidence that the gun had been illegally modified to fire in the full automatic mode. They considered the incident a singular malfunction of the SKS in question.

The Sacramento Bee contacted gunsmith Eric Amundsen who told the paper that the unfortunate misfiring of Ferrante's SKS was the result of a slam-fire. Amundsen also said that while such accidental discharges have been known to happen before, they are not considered a "typical" problem with the SKS. Amundsen and other sources The Bee contacted, in fact, said that such a slam- fire was "a freak accident" because of the SKS's notoriously heavy trigger pull.

Obviously, neither Ferrante nor his companion anticipated a problem. Certainly, if any problems were anticipated, the rifle would have been more firmly and safely pointed down-range.

[E. Fudd]

No, this incident (fatal SKS accident) definitely did NOT happened at Chabot. I had heard it occurred at some other Northern CA range many years back. Like CA-Brit said, there had been a number of cases of malfunctioning SKS's going off at the Chabot range in the past, resulting in the SKS two round limit rule, just to be on the safe side.

Elmer

[Technical Ted]

OK. I get it. Must've mixed up my stories. It was awhile back when the shooting incident was first mentioned on Calguns.

[LCAZES]

This actually happened at Los Altos Rod and Gun Club.