Pre-Ban HiCap From one gun to another.

[duc748bip]

I have Beta-C for HK 9mm can I buy a new tower so the mag will work in a AR9mm?

[lawaia]

Only if the magazine will also still work in the weapon it was originally designed for.

[Quiet]

AFAIK...
After it's modifed, as long as the large capacity magazine can still be used in the original firearm it was made for, then it's legal.
If it can not be used in the original firearm, then it's considered manufacturing a large capacity magazine after 01-01-2000, which is a felony.

[CHS]

This is actually a really interesting case, because the Beta Mag is a modular design which will allow you to swap out feed towers.

Regardless of the feed tower you have installed, you only ever have ONE "large capacity feeding device".

The state might see you as swapping out feed towers as "manufacturing" a new large-capacity magazine since the resulting mag will no longer function in the original host gun without re-swapping the feed towers again.

Then again, if you keep the original feed tower, can it really be considered manufacturing because that mag WILL actually still work in the original gun, just with a little bit of normal work.

Here's another question...

If you had a 100rd Beta mag and multiple feed towers before the ban, are you now allowed to swap feed towers? What if you had multiple feed towers before the ban, but never actually used them with the magazine. Now that the ban is in place, can you swap them or are you now manufacturing?

If you had a single Beta Mag before the ban, and multiple feed towers, and you at some point used all the feed towers with that magazine before the ban fell into place, can you now swap feed towers after the ban? Now, can you also "rebuild/repair" those feed towers into individual fully-functioning Beta Mag's so that you would never have to swap towers again?

[Josh3239]

I don't see it as manufacturing a new high cap, how could you create a new one while working on an original one? I would consider this modifying an existing legally owned magazine and don't see what is wrong with it.

[RideIcon]

sounds like a touchy subject that they could interpret any way they please...
Just don't let them watch you in the process of swapping the feed towers and KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!

No need to bring attention to it.

[bwiese]

CA law is murky and this could easily go sideways on folks. We've gotten further that we'd thoght with the Alison letter.

For matters like these I believe that we should continue to only do mods that still retain the original function of the magazine for the firearm+caliber for which it was designed.

The position was supported by BATF during the 1994-2004 ban and that logic could enter the discussion.

[joelukehart]

I don't see it as manufacturing a new high cap, how could you create a new one while working on an original one? I would consider this modifying an existing legally owned magazine and don't see what is wrong with it.

I know you don't see it a mfging a new hi-cap mag but the question is how would the BATF and a prosecutor see it?

[CHS]

I know you don't see it a mfging a new hi-cap mag but the question is how would the BATF and a prosecutor see it?

The BATF doesn't give a rats butt, since there's nothing federally illegal about hicap mags.

The CA DoJ might care though.

[AlexDD]

For matters like these I believe that we should continue to only do mods that still retain the original function of the magazine for the firearm+caliber for which it was designed.

The position was supported by BATF during the 1994-2004 ban and that logic could enter the discussion.

This bring up a question of a 5.45 AR magazine.

Currently, 5.45 mm will function in a 5.56 mm AR15 magazine through a 5.45 upper. Some magazines, like HK, are known to function up to 20 to 25 rounds.

C products now makes a 5.45 30 round magazine.

Could one take a pre-2000 magazine 5.56 magazine, replace the follower with a 5.45 follower, the spring with a 5.45 spring, then replace the magazine body with a 5.45 AR magazine body?

This is of course assuming it would still feed and function with 5.56 ammo in a 5.56 AR upper.

[joelukehart]

The BATF doesn't give a rats butt, since there's nothing federally illegal about hicap mags.

The CA DoJ might care though.

I stand corrected. Being in the crosshairs of the CA DOJ or BATF is not a position I would not want to be in.

[joelukehart]

This bring up a question of a 5.45 AR magazine.

Currently, 5.45 mm will function in a 5.56 mm AR15 magazine through a 5.45 upper. Some magazines, like HK, are known to function up to 20 to 25 rounds.

C products now makes a 5.45 30 round magazine.

Could one take a pre-2000 magazine 5.56 magazine, replace the follower with a 5.45 follower, the spring with a 5.45 spring, then replace the magazine body with a 5.45 AR magazine body?

This is of course assuming it would still feed and function with 5.56 ammo in a 5.56 AR upper.

The feed lips might be different. But if it feeds go with it!

[JMB1911]

So if I can modify my 40 round AK mag to work on my Saiga, it'll be legal because it still works on an AK?

[RideIcon]

So if I can modify my 40 round AK mag to work on my Saiga, it'll be legal because it still works on an AK?

Thats what everyone assumes...

[Cokebottle]

So if I can modify my 40 round AK mag to work on my Saiga, it'll be legal because it still works on an AK?

Careful though... if that Saiga is not featureless (or RAW), you still can't run more than 10rds.