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  • Coca-Cola777
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 581

    War memorabilia collectors wanted, need to identify these things. see pics

    I hope this falls under the right forum, theres guns involved but also a Japan flag, 2 Nazi flags and 2 nazi pins, could somebody tell me a little about them, age, value, I have a friend who reciently inherited this stuff and I told him I would ask the guys on here that seem pretty knowlegeable on this kinda stuff. so here goes, The rifle is a springfield but thats all I know, I am not a military rifle collector I don't know of the value of any of these objects, and the second pic of the guns, the pepperbox looking one I don't know anything about that one, the .22 in the picture you can ignore, thats just a cheap Hawes firearms .22 I was mainly looking for info on the pepperbox in that picture, and then the Japan flag and both nazi flags and pins, thanks in advance for looking and sharing your thoughts on age and value, John
    Last edited by Coca-Cola777; 11-22-2010, 4:04 AM.
    "All a man has is his word, once thats broke, he's no longer a man, he's a coward"
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    Tweak338
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2006
    • 4076

    The Rifle looks to be a Springfield Krag Carbine.


    I don't have a lot of knowledge on these

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    • #3
      Tweak338
      Veteran Member
      • Aug 2006
      • 4076

      The First Nazi medal/pin is a

      "Mother's Cross"
      The Cross of Honour of the German Mother
      (Ehrenkreuz der Deutschen Mutter)
      World War 1 exacted a heavy toll in war dead from the German male population.
      As a result, women were later pushed into factories to keep the wheels of German Industry turning.
      Another result was that there were more marriageable women available than men, and thus a large number of women of child bearing age remained 'unproductive'.
      Hitler took positive steps to solve the population 'problem'.
      One such program was to advocate the virtues of motherhood, this program included a gigantic propaganda campaign to urge women to increase the size of their families.
      Cash incentives were paid for each child born. The stigma of illegitimacy was removed since children born out of wedlock were to become wards of the state, and there were certainly willing girls more than happy to do their part for the Fatherland. The propaganda campaign was given added impetus on the 16th December 1938 when Hitler instituted a new award to honour German motherhood, especially the large family.
      • The Cross of Honour of the German Mother (Ehrenkreuz der deutschen Mutter) was created in three classes with the criteria as follows:
        • Bronze (3rd Class) - A bronze Christian Cross normally worn about the neck suspended by a 10mm blue ribbon with two white stripes at each edge. A round shield was affixed to the cross, bearing the inscription 'Der Deutschen Mutter' encircling a black enamel swastika on a white enamel field. Behind the shield and between the arms of the cross was a projection of rays. The arms of the cross were blue enamel with white enamel edges. Presented for bearing 4 or 5 children,
          • The reverse was plain save for the date '16 December 1938' followed by a facsimile of Hitler's signature. (see photo below)
          • From 16th December 1938, when the decoration was first instituted, to mid 1939, the Mothers Cross bore the inscription 'Das Kind adelt die Mutter' (The child ennobles the mother). Why this change on the reverse of the cross was brought about is not known.
          • The manufacturer's logo was sometimes found on the back as well. This award was normally presented in a blue envelope bearing the title of the award on the front. The award was also accompanied by a large certificate bearing a facsimile of Hitler's signature.



      • Silver (2nd Class) - similar to the 3rd class except that the metal parts were finished in silver. It was presented for bearing 6 or 7 children.

      • Gold (1st Class - again similar to the 3rd class except all the metal parts were finished in Gold and also it was presented in a hard presentation case that consisted of a hinged and compartmentalised box. The exterior was a very dark blue simulated leather with a facsimile of the award embossed in gold. The interior of the lid was a white satin and the base was an off white velvet. It was presented for bearing eight or more children.

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      • #4
        Tweak338
        Veteran Member
        • Aug 2006
        • 4076

        The Second one with the crossed bayonet and Eagle is a small unit
        looks to be the General Assualt Badge but missing a part.

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        • #5
          Tweak338
          Veteran Member
          • Aug 2006
          • 4076

          First German Flag is a Third Reich Battle Flag

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          • #6
            Coca-Cola777
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 581

            Wow, you know alot about this stuff, Do you have any idea if this stuff is worth anything? thanks so much Tweak338!
            "All a man has is his word, once thats broke, he's no longer a man, he's a coward"

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            • #7
              Tweak338
              Veteran Member
              • Aug 2006
              • 4076

              I just know how to google, and was pretty bored.

              No idea on value

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              • #8
                GSequoia
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2007
                • 1356

                Don't be suck a Nazi Tweak!
                Alot isn't a word and allot isn't the word you think it is.

                I'd really like a Colt 1903 frame, bad finish okay!
                I'm also looking for a good deal on a 1911 frame or two for budget/spare parts builds.

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                • #9
                  gn3hz3ku1*
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 4276

                  if your buddy wants to sell the japanese flag id be interested if we can confirm authenticity... ie no made in china signs

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                  • #10
                    Alan Block
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 3086

                    The pepperbox is one of the kit or ready made pepper box

                    replicas available from Dixie and elsewhere.

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                    • #11
                      evidens83
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 7839

                      Check out this website or give them a call. They're actually a new member here as well, CGM Firearms http://craiggottlieb.com/
                      WTS 10/22 Lasermax laser CHEAP!!!

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                      • #12
                        OneApart
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 2155









                        " We will either find a way, or make one " - Hannibal 218 B.C.

                        WTS:

                        WTB:

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                        • #13
                          The Director
                          Veteran Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 2769

                          The Nazi flag looks to me to be a naval ensign, i.e. something that would be flown from a Nazi ship, although this is obviously too small for that purpose. The triangular flag looks very much like a Burgee - another naval item flown from the "pigstick" of the boat, directly on the bow facing aft, although again, this one seems too small for that. Perhaps these are Nazie era naval souvenirs.

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                          • #14
                            Bill Carson
                            Veteran Member
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 3574

                            Japan and Germany. Weren't they first and second runner-ups in WWII

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                            • #15
                              Alan Block
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 3086

                              The Reichsmarine flags look about the right size for an E-Boat or other fast motor boat.

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