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  • colossians323
    Crusader for the truth!
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2005
    • 21637

    Bloomberg gun give away in VA.

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    Va. gun enthusiasts taunt NYC mayor with ``Bloomberg Gun GiveAway''
    By KRISTEN GELINEAU
    Associated Press Writer

    March 16, 2007, 12:49 PM EDT

    MIDLOTHIAN, Va. -- Amid the Confederate flags, anti-Yankee bumper stickers and Civil War relics displayed throughout Bob Moates Sport Shop, a new, rather uncivil war is brewing.

    "Ask about the Bloomberg Gun GiveAway" reads a sign taped to the gun shop's register, beckoning customers to enter the drawing named for New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, whose federal lawsuits against gun dealers in five states have drawn the wrath of Virginia's gun enthusiasts.


    Bloomberg calls the dealers holding the contest sick. The dealers call Bloomberg words that aren't fit to print.

    "This has proved to be a battle royale," said Philip Van Cleave, president of the pro-gun Virginia Citizens Defense League and mastermind of the giveaway, which has boosted business for the two participating store owners. "The truth is, if Bloomberg hadn't picked on Virginia, we wouldn't have gotten involved. But he made the mistake of stepping into Virginia with this."

    The Republican mayor has sued 27 out-of-state gun dealers, alleging that they sold firearms illegally to undercover private investigators conducting a sting operation for New York. City officials say the dealers have supplied hundreds of weapons used in New York City crimes. The lawsuits, which name dealers in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia, ask the court to require monitoring of the shops' sales.

    Private investigators attempted "straw purchases" at about 45 dealers, in which one person fills out the legal forms and makes the purchase for someone else. The practice is prohibited by federal law and is typically used by those who can't own firearms, such as convicted felons.

    Nine dealers, including two in Virginia, have settled with the city, agreeing to be monitored by a court-appointed special master.

    The owners of two Virginia stores being sued said they were forced to close because of crushing legal fees. But in January, two other store owners began fighting back with the gun giveaway. Through March 31, customers who spend $100 at either of Bob Moates' stores or Old Dominion Guns and Tackle in Danville are eligible to win a handgun or a rifle, courtesy of the Defense League. The drawing will be held April 19. Among those ineligible to win, as per the official rules: "Mayor Bloomberg and his immediate family members."

    Van Cleave said he came up with the idea as a way to boost sales at the stores, which have already shelled out thousands in legal fees.

    The contest has only further agitated Bloomberg, who has made gun control a top priority in his second term.

    "These are sick people," Bloomberg said in January when questioned about the giveaway at the Mayors Against Illegal Guns summit in Washington. "And if they think that this is funny, I don't think that the parents or the spouses or the children of those that get killed with illegal guns would find that very entertaining."

    Dave Hancock, who has worked at Bob Moates Sport Shop for 25 years, shakes his head at such statements.

    "Mr. Bloomberg thinks we're a bunch of sick people," said Hancock, leaning against a display case of handguns. "Well, I think he's an idiot."

    Bloomberg and his colleagues say the lawsuits are part of an effort to curb the flow of illegal guns into New York. Mayoral spokesman Jason Post points to New York City police statistics showing that 90 percent of the city's crime guns come from out of state.

    But Hancock and other Virginia gun-rights advocates say the lawsuits are nothing more than a publicity stunt and a scheme to drive gun dealers out of business.

    Richard Hill, manager of Bob Moates Sport Shop, called the lawsuits a "nice attempt by a politician just trying to get to the White House" and said his store always follows the law.

    "The best way to get guns off the street and criminals off the street is to lock 'em up," Hill said. "They seem to want to pick on an old stereotype _ it's so easy to get a gun in Virginia and run it up to New York. When quite honestly, you can break into a house anywhere and get anything you like."

    Bloomberg's face graces a poster taped to a shotgun rack at Bob Moates, under the words "Here are our worst enemy." Sarah Brady, of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, and Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle are also pictured, though Bloomberg's face is circled in bright pink highlighter.

    The contest has been boosting sales, with several thousand tickets given out so far, Hancock said. The winner will receive a Para-Ordnance handgun worth around $900.

    Longtime customer Scott Cashion, 31, of Chesterfield, said he's earned six or seven tickets _ and may end up with more to get back at Bloomberg.

    "I bought some kind of for spite," he said while perusing a stack of ammunition. "What he's doing is wrong."

    Dennis Alverson, owner of Old Dominion Guns and Tackle, is also enjoying brisk business, which he attributes to his customers' contempt for the lawsuits. The winner from his store will get a Browning Varmint Stalker rifle, also worth about $900.

    "I've been in business 27 years and I've probably had the best February I've ever had," Alverson said. "Nobody's got a great likeness for Bloomberg in this area."
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  • #2
    SnWnMe
    Calguns Addict
    • Feb 2007
    • 6897

    Confederate flags?

    What a bunch of morons.
    Frank Da Tank

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    • #3
      CalNRA
      Calguns Addict
      • Apr 2006
      • 8686

      Originally posted by SnWnMe
      Confederate flags?

      What a bunch of morons.
      fine. next time you fly a California Republic flag I'll get the Dunce hat for you.
      Originally posted by cvigue
      This is not rocket surgery.

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      • #4
        FatKatMatt
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2006
        • 1009

        Originally posted by SnWnMe
        Confederate flags?

        What a bunch of morons.
        I can see you have no conception of what the flag stands for, thank you for drinking the kool aid.

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        • #5
          Rem1492
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 666

          Originally posted by SnWnMe
          Confederate flags?

          What a bunch of morons.
          It means different things to different people. The states inbetween NY and CA are whats known as middle America. Where people are different and not brainwashed by liberal media........yet. CA's history dates back about 150years for all practical purposes to the 49 gold rush. Other states have been around since colonial times and as such have a deeper history and culture that CA people are too ignorant or high-and mighty to care about. The confederate flag does not always mean what your HS school teacher told you.

          I couldnt understand why I got a bad rap with CA plates on my car when outside of CA. After being in other states for a while, now I know.
          C-130Herk and AK-lover

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          • #6
            leelaw
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            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2005
            • 10445

            Originally posted by Rem1492
            It means different things to different people. The states inbetween NY and CA are whats known as middle America. Where people are different and not brainwashed by liberal media........yet. CA's history dates back about 150years for all practical purposes to the 49 gold rush. Other states have been around since colonial times and as such have a deeper history and culture that CA people are too ignorant or high-and mighty to care about. The confederate flag does not always mean what your HS school teacher told you.

            I couldnt understand why I got a bad rap with CA plates on my car when outside of CA. After being in other states for a while, now I know.
            You've got to admit that there are different connotations that the flag flyers are trying to put forth when they raise the battle flag and not the flag of the Confederacy.

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            • #7
              Super_tactical
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2006
              • 798

              I wish the "South Hada Won." "Weda had it made."
              "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin
              (In honor of Blackwater Ops)

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              • #8
                CalNRA
                Calguns Addict
                • Apr 2006
                • 8686

                Originally posted by leelaw
                You've got to admit that there are different connotations that the flag flyers are trying to put forth when they raise the battle flag and not the flag of the Confederacy.
                but in this case, when a bunch of Yankee gun grabbers from the north are running around VA trying to shut down gun shops, they have the right to do so in protest, in my humble opinion.
                Originally posted by cvigue
                This is not rocket surgery.

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                • #9
                  VeryCoolCat
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 11275

                  I don't like the confederate flag because the "CONFEDERACY" used to use it when going into battle.

                  Thats would be like germans flying swasticas. They lost the war... they needa get over it. Although If I found an old rifle with a confederate flag on it. I'd buy it

                  Californians aren't even considered Yanks in this country as its like the "leader" liberal of the yanks.

                  Kinda like how georgia or alabama are the "leaders" of the south and generally people from these 2 states have reputations when moving to a northern state.


                  Most if not all of the people on this forum are QUITE liberal compared to those in the south on many issues. Many of us are against censorship, and are pro-choice which would make many of us gun totin libs.
                  Last edited by VeryCoolCat; 03-18-2007, 3:43 AM.
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                  Just be glad you are not his next door neighbor. I am sure there are "good tunes" flowing out the window. I am imagining a cop car pulling up at 1:30 AM asking "Are you having a party?" and Bundo sayin "Nope just me and the BG's"

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                  • #10
                    CalNRA
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 8686

                    the fact that you don't like it has nothing to do the freedom of expression of Virginians in the face of Northerners threatening their gun shops. I don't have a vested interest in the confederate flag, btw. I just support the right of the people to be angry at the gun-grabbers. The south fought long and hard for the states' rights and now these activists mayors from the north are crossing statelines to cause trouble and use the Feds in the process. I don't see what can piss off southerners more than a rich, snobby, Billionaire Jewish(gasp!!) northern Mayor using lawsuits to take away their guns. Maybe add a few token gays in the lawsuit and you got yourself a declaration of war. on top of all the irony is the fact that Bloomberg is a big anti-smoking activist, which would also piss off a lot of Virginians.

                    there are many liberal democracies in the world, all of them have banned or nearly banned guns. Look at Europe, and you will see where liberals have wanted us to go. The fact that we still have guns can be in large part attributed to the former confederate states standing proud and pissed against the liberals. You might feel high and mighty but these people are the reason why the feds can't just go in and take guns from you and I without causing a civil war.

                    So before you all condemn the south for being loud mouthed, low intelligence, etc, thank them for keeping the 2nd alive and well adn where gun culture is not being pushed to the dark corner as if it's dirty laundry.
                    Last edited by CalNRA; 03-18-2007, 4:16 AM.
                    Originally posted by cvigue
                    This is not rocket surgery.

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                    • #11
                      triggerhappy
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 1121

                      Originally posted by Super_tactical
                      I wish the "South Hada Won." "Weda had it made."

                      Preach on, Hank!
                      Originally posted by UBFRAGD
                      When I say people though, I am referring to fellow Americans who have jobs and trucks and guns and consider taking a day or two off work to drive to the boonies and let the lead out. The other 6.something billion of humanity is totally suspect, though.

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                      • #12
                        triggerhappy
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 1121

                        Originally posted by VeryCoolCat
                        I don't like the confederate flag because the "CONFEDERACY" used to use it when going into battle.

                        Thats would be like germans flying swasticas. They lost the war... they needa get over it. Although If I found an old rifle with a confederate flag on it. I'd buy it

                        Californians aren't even considered Yanks in this country as its like the "leader" liberal of the yanks.

                        Kinda like how georgia or alabama are the "leaders" of the south and generally people from these 2 states have reputations when moving to a northern state.


                        Most if not all of the people on this forum are QUITE liberal compared to those in the south on many issues. Many of us are against censorship, and are pro-choice which would make many of us gun totin libs.

                        No offense meant, but perhaps a little more research on this subject is in order. The Cofederacy was about state's rights, not slavery.

                        Look at the timeline, the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't even signed until the war was half over, and was never meant to affect the Union states. Kind of funny logic, if Lincoln just wanted the slaves free. The fact is, that he did it as a last resort, hoping it would economically crush the South-kinda like starving them out

                        If you delve into the subject, you can see that Lincoln; A) Did it as a last-ditch effort (Why? If the war was about slavery would this wait?) and, B) Did it with reservations, and rooted in the firm belief (per his own words, mind you) that the whites and black should be, and should stay, seperate.

                        Nowadays, you see someone with a Confederate flag, you'll most likely find underneath said flag, people of strong character, fiercely independent, and maybe overly simplistic views on wrong and right.

                        Don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole bushel for you
                        Originally posted by UBFRAGD
                        When I say people though, I am referring to fellow Americans who have jobs and trucks and guns and consider taking a day or two off work to drive to the boonies and let the lead out. The other 6.something billion of humanity is totally suspect, though.

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                        • #13
                          SnWnMe
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 6897

                          The problem is that the average American (who may not be as history savvy as some of you) see the Stars and Bars as = Black slavery/oppression/racism.

                          Performing a pro gun cause while using objects commonly identified with slavery does not help in the fight. Any sleazebag journalist worth his or her salt can easily spin this (as evidenced in the first line mention of the flag in the article). It is a no brainer to impress gunowners = white supremacists to the uninformed reader.
                          Frank Da Tank

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                          • #14
                            Charliegone
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 6104

                            Originally posted by SnWnMe
                            The problem is that the average American (who may not be as history savvy as some of you) see the Stars and Bars as = Black slavery/oppression/racism.

                            Performing a pro gun cause while using objects commonly identified with slavery does not help in the fight. Any sleazebag journalist worth his or her salt can easily spin this (as evidenced in the first line mention of the flag in the article). It is a no brainer to impress gunowners = white supremacists to the uninformed reader.
                            While I see your point, then the uninformed reader should educate themselves more on the topic of guns and gun ownership. If they simply take it as "the word of God" then they are just being ignorant.


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                            • #15
                              tankerman
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 24240

                              (804) 276-2293
                              This is the gunshop phone number, they are already closed today ,but tomorrow I am going to call and buy some of those raffle tickets and ask that they donate them to a local shooting sports organization.

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