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  • #31
    Rem1492
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 666

    The M44 extractor was bad, a live round was in the chamber, as you know the Nagant chamber shield covers the view of it well, so you cant just simply look from above to see if a round is chambered or not as you can with an AR or AK. A live round was fed, that round stuck, the bolt pulled back, the gun handed to me. I fed a live round and it slammed right into the back of the current live round in the chamber. We deduced this because of the different colors of shrapnel and different ammunition we were using.

    The explosion cost me $5000 in payments as I had no insurance and was not an illegal alien so I had to pay for my medical care. It was a costly experience but luckily I only had minor nerve damage and my eyes were saved from burning gunpowder and brass shrapnel. It took me 7 years to get over that and finally touch a bolt action again. Paranoia=safety.

    Lesson learned, EYE protection is a must. Ear protection is dependant on sound levels and hand protection (gloves) is also an option. I use nomex leather flying gloves from now on, stops touching burning barrels or shrapnel in hand by accident.

    the KEY for eye protection is the ANSI z85 rating for ballistic impact. Dont get a cheapo $5 pair of walmart or target sunglasses, though they would be better than nothing, dont think they would be the same as safety glasses.

    Also think about skin coverage, Oakley lenses cover a lot depending on the cut, some other glasses are thin and small, cool looking but they wont block that errant brass case or ricochet to your cheekbone. Oakley also sells Laser optics on the military site but thats a whole other story.

    A lot of guys prefer WileyXs because they have a strap that under your helmet really gets the glasses tight on you whereas oakleys only have arms that can slide or cause headaches from squeezing your ears and head for too long. In anycase, eyewear is not cheap and should seriously be considered by any shooter. Try them out like trying new shoes in a store.

    Oakley has special green lenses for shooting (dont use them to drive though), check em out.
    C-130Herk and AK-lover

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    • #32
      Matt C
      Calguns Addict
      • Feb 2006
      • 7128

      I bet you will always check the chamber of a weapon handed to you now as well...
      I do not provide legal services or practice law (yet).

      The troublemaker formerly known as Blackwater OPS.

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      • #33
        Rem1492
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2007
        • 666

        Originally posted by Blackwater OPS
        I bet you will always check the chamber of a weapon handed to you now as well...
        lessons learned from that paranoia I also carry my sidearm with no round in the chamber although regulations state we should be chambered. I just make up for it by having the hammer cocked so I can rack the slide quickly if need be. I am sure if I wind up in downtown Khafji in the middle of a Clint Eastwood shootout I will have wished one was in the chamber, but otherwise it makes peace of mind.
        C-130Herk and AK-lover

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        • #34
          cseabass
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2006
          • 967

          it honestly depends on what im doing. i hate cheap eye-pro. and right now i cant afford the good ****, so i dont wear it(though if im close to the plates in the range, i wear it for fear of catching splatter frags. out doors, i have a pair of sunglasses that are saftey rated but, i dont like the coverage, but its better than nothing.
          when i get another good pair, ill probly wear them all the time.
          Last edited by cseabass; 03-26-2007, 9:26 AM.

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          • #35
            cseabass
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2006
            • 967

            Originally posted by NSR500
            I've been using my Prescription glasses under some real generic range type stuff. Now that I have contacts I'd like to step up to some Wiley-X, does anyone know who carries Wiley-X in the NorCal Bay Area?
            We carry them at TMW.

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            • #36
              jmlivingston
              Moderator Emeritus
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Oct 2005
              • 5095

              At my last eye appointment I paid the extra to take my prescription glasses from a regular lense to the safety lense. It only cost something like an extra $50 or so, and I made sure the frames I chose (Persol model 2224) were large enough to provide adequate protection. Many of the current style of frames that are popular have too small a lense area to provide enough protection, the ones I chose aren't "wrap-around" by any means, but they do extend towards the side of the eye as well as having a nice fit around the brow. I've been real happy with them, but I haven't had any shrapnel hits to test them out with either.

              John

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              • #37
                jmlivingston
                Moderator Emeritus
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2005
                • 5095

                Originally posted by Rem1492
                I use nomex leather flying gloves from now on, stops touching burning barrels or shrapnel in hand by accident.
                That's an excellent idea! They're lightweight with a snug fit covering the wrist. Wish I still had a pair from the days I was a crewman on UH-1's. I may just need to go buy a pair now.

                John

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                • #38
                  Smokeybehr
                  In Memoriam
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 795

                  Eyes and ears every time for me. I haven't had anything catastrophic, but I've come back from the range many times with an unexplained laceration somewhere on my body.
                  Rule #1: Keep your booger hook off the bang-switch!
                  Cruz/West 2016 - You STILL want to call me a racist tea bagger?

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                  • #39
                    grammaton76
                    Administrator
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 9511

                    Careful with Wiley-X... mine fog up within SECONDS of putting them on.

                    I've got some anti-fog coating stuff to apply to it, however I'm still trying to get it to the point where the coating's light enough not to blur my vision, yet heavy enough to prevent them from fogging up.

                    As for the BS about "just spit in it and rub it around" - NO, that DOES NOT WORK for how little air flow the Wiley-X's get. Spit is just flat-out not effective.
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                    • #40
                      Rob454
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 11254

                      I have a set of clear Oakleys and a coupel of pairs of clear lens and yellow lens wanna be oakley type glasses. i usually have a couple of pairs because either one of my buddies forgets to bring one or the guy next to me doesnt have any. Another reason I bring tons of foam ear plugs because one time I was at the range this guy and his kid were shooting next to me and either had any hearing protection. I was shooting my 30-06 and I had some 190 grain rounds and they were freaking loud. the kid was plugging his ears with his fingers. i dug in my ammo bag and brought out some foam plugs. The guy offered to buy them but I declined. The nice thign was he let me shoot his AR15 which was pretty fun to shoot
                      Rob

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                      • #41
                        Matt C
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 7128

                        Originally posted by Rob454
                        pone time I was at the range this guy and his kid were shooting next to me and either had any hearing protection.p
                        Rob
                        I would have intervened there, no way that's kosher.
                        I do not provide legal services or practice law (yet).

                        The troublemaker formerly known as Blackwater OPS.

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                        • #42
                          Clodbuster
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 1103

                          I use SG-1s and they came with raised foam ridges that you can tailor to increase airflow and prevent fogging. I had to cut nearly all of them in half.

                          Clod

                          Originally posted by grammaton76
                          Careful with Wiley-X... mine fog up within SECONDS of putting them on.

                          I've got some anti-fog coating stuff to apply to it, however I'm still trying to get it to the point where the coating's light enough not to blur my vision, yet heavy enough to prevent them from fogging up.

                          As for the BS about "just spit in it and rub it around" - NO, that DOES NOT WORK for how little air flow the Wiley-X's get. Spit is just flat-out not effective.

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