'How to spot concealed carry' infographic

[jah191]

Sorry if a repost

http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0002w4&topic_id=1

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Here's the actual graphic:

[paul0660]

"Styles don't match"..........I have been guilty of that all my life!

[AJAX22]

Ha, looks like a derringer in your boot is a safe bet...

Also if you have a wallet holster for a high standard your good to go

[not-fishing]

Funny -- none of those fella's seem to have proper holsters.

[onikage]

Funny -- none of those fella's seem to have proper holsters.

Right. While a person will still probably be guilty of the mannerism "tells", a proper IWB holster will help with the clothing and bouncing aspect.

[Black Majik]

What is this, the 1950s? They're all carrying revolvers.

And what's up with that sweater?

I dunno anyone carrying a gun wearing a doctors coat like the gun in the very bottom left.

Lastly, "hand repositioning gun" looks like he's scratching his balls. Total giveaway.

[Demonfart]

Great infographic, I just read this on BoingBoing, very well done. I think my favorite piece of the whole puzzle is how it illustrates that gear won't save you; most of the 'tells' are purely psychological, from looking douchey (nothing stands out quite as bad as mismanaged fashion...that's why it's generally so easy to pick out undercover police in social settings) to subconsciously guarding your weapon with your hands and body movements, its a very good reminder that your best tool is always your brain. Funny how hard it is to defeat your own subconscious!

[Maltese Falcon]

When running across a busy street I brace my cellphone. Maybe a good way to disguise an IWB carry...

[23 Blast]

Well, this infographic is probably from the 1970's, and it's for the NYPD. Here in CA, most of the tell-tales have to do with guys wearing large coats period. Outside of the 15 days when it acttually rains in So Cal, few people wear heavy coats, yet when I was a teenager growing up, I remember guys wearing these huge Raiders or Kings jackets when it was like 90 degrees.

Oh, and the fanny pack might as well be a neon sign going "I'M CARRYING!!!!!"

besides, trained cops can probably spot if you're carrying so much as a 3" folding pocketknife.

[Merc1138]

Wow, this thing is hilarious.

Why? Because in the past 20 years I've walked exactly like that, run in the rain like that, tilted myself like that, all because I was carrying a walkman, cassette player, discman mp3 player, video game system, computer hardware(had to move it around somehow when I was a kid with no car, I'm talking about things like videocards and hard drives).

This chart is laughable today.

[Pvt. Cowboy]

What is this, the 1950s? They're all carrying revolvers.

Information came from the New Yewk City Puhlice De-PAH-tmint. Nothing but revolvers in NYC.

And what's up with that sweater?

Plaid means CCW. Always.

[Demonfart]

Wow, this thing is hilarious.

Why? Because in the past 20 years I've walked exactly like that, run in the rain like that, tilted myself like that, all because I was carrying a walkman, cassette player, discman mp3 player, video game system, computer hardware(had to move it around somehow when I was a kid with no car, I'm talking about things like videocards and hard drives).

This chart is laughable today.

Actually you're kind of wrong my good man.

Most of that data was provided by a police officer with a highly decorated career focused on exactly what she's illustrating: busting folks with guns (the kind that are unlawfully carrying, that is)...he had a "%99.9" conviction rate over his 18 years as an officer of the law and became VERY good at spotting people concealing firearms...I think the only way to get a more accurate data set would be to sample more officers that specialize in this sort of thing, otherwise that's a damned good source. Also your example is rather invalid since all of the devices that you used to carry are pretty much covered in modern days by the iPhone ("a walkman, cassette player, discman mp3 player, video game system, computer hardware"). I haven't had bulky pockets in years for this very reason (just my iPhone and my Leatherman).

You have to also look at who this designer is working for: The New York Times is not a publication that does not fact check their pieces, so she has that going for her in the credibility column as well...she isn't just some lady from the interwebs speculating the subject of concealed carry.

[Merc1138]

Actually you're kind of wrong my good man.

Most of that data was provided by a police officer with a highly decorated career focused on exactly what she's illustrating: busting folks with guns (the kind that are unlawfully carrying, that is)...he had a "%99.9" conviction rate over his 18 years as an officer of the law and became VERY good at spotting people concealing firearms...I think the only way to get a more accurate data set would be to sample more officers that specialize in this sort of thing, otherwise that's a damned good source. Also your example is rather invalid since all of the devices that you used to carry are pretty much covered in modern days by the iPhone ("a walkman, cassette player, discman mp3 player, video game system, computer hardware"). I haven't had bulky pockets in years for this very reason (just my iPhone and my Leatherman).

You have to also look at who this designer is working for: The New York Times is not a publication that does not fact check their pieces, so she has that going for her in the credibility column as well...she isn't just some lady from the interwebs speculating the subject of concealed carry.

Uhh, how exactly am I wrong? 20 years ago I would have had my jacket pocket swinging exactly like that with a cassette player. I also would have held onto my old discman 15 years ago the same way. Also, if I had to keep something like a hard drive in my pocket(are you going to tell me hard drives don't exist today?) I'd keep my hand on it the same way as described in the pictures.

This chart is a joke. I don't care how many convictions some police officer has, I was referring to the chart regarding how to spot concealed carry, not the article. If this chart actually made any sense I'd have been accused of concealed carry on a regular basis for the past 20+ years. Fortunately my local LEOs apparently don't buy into this crap.

Btw, you're also wrong about things "being covered in modern days by the iphone". I own an iphone, it has not replaced: my nintendo DS, a large capacity usb hard drive, I've had to carry my iphone AND work cell phone, and all sorts of other crap. Just because you never need to carry more than an iphone and a leatherman doesn't mean you can speak for the rest of society about wants/needs when it comes to carrying items every day. Maybe if you had actually read my post, you would have seen the "in the past 20 years" part. Your iphone didn't exist 20 years ago.

[Chk Chk Boom]

This chart is a joke. I don't care how many convictions some police officer has, I was referring to the chart regarding how to spot concealed carry, not the article. If this chart actually made any sense I'd have been accused of concealed carry on a regular basis for the past 20+ years. Fortunately my local LEOs apparently don't buy into this crap.

Yeah, calm down dude, nobody is going to take your Game Boy away.

Your local LEO's DO buy into the whole looking for telltale signs. Proactive crime prevention is kinda part of the job... If you were doing things like in the graphic in conjunction with suspicious acts, I can guarantee if they detained you, you WOULD be frisked for weapons (see Terry v. Ohio).

Cops can't just go around left and right stopping people for no reason to search for concealed weapons. If, however, you were doing these "signs" of a concealed weapons AND acting suspicious, they would have reasonable cause to stop and search you for weapons.

Maybe you haven't been accused of concealed carry because you don't do stupid things? Criminals are dumb, you know that.