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  • pat038536
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    • Feb 2009
    • 499

    State sen.: Assault weapons no more lethal than other guns

    Mods if this is a dup feel free to kill it.

    It looks like someone over there appears to be on our side



    State Sen. Pam Roach on Tuesday challenged Bellevue Police Chief Linda Pillo over the relative lethality of assault weapons versus other firearms.

    Pillo was testifying in support of Senate Bill 6396, which would ban the sale of assault weapons, specifically semiautomatic pistols, pump-action rifles or shotguns that met certain definitions. Pillo noted that Seattle Police Officer Timothy Brenton was killed and his partner wounded by a man with a semiautomatic weapon last year.

    Pillo said national law enforcement groups supported banning assault weapons as a way to reduce gun violence.

    Roach questioned why assault weapons are any more dangerous than other guns, like revolvers.

    "What is more or less lethal than those firearms that are defined in this bill as being an assault weapons?" Roach asked the police chief.

    Pillo responded: "Because of the multiple rounds that can be fired."

    Roach then asked: "How many rounds does it take to be fired (to be lethal)? ...the answer is one."

    The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Adam Kline, a Democrat from Seattle and the assault weapon bill's sponsor, then cut in.

    "It takes one round to kill somebody, 10 rounds can kill 10 people..that's the difference."

    Also testifying in support of the legislation was Debra Sullivan, whose 17-year-old son Aaron was fatally shot in July by a man using a semiautomatic weapon.

    "My feeling on this is we have laws that protect our children from tobacco, and from narcotics and and from alcohol," Sullivan told lawmakers. "I would just love to see us take some responsibility in protecting our young people from assault weapons. They are impulsive, it was an impulse action that resulted in the death of my son."

    Testifying against the proposed law was Brian Judy, the state liaison for the National Rifle Association.

    "In this day and age of 24 hour news, I want to give you a bit of breaking news. Seventy million gun owners didn't break the law today," said Judy, adding the bill would unfairly infringe on people's state and federal rights. "This bill is unconstitutional, it's arbitrary and it will not reduce crime."

    Judy, too, questioned the logic of targeting assault weapons over other firearms. He noted that the four Lakewood Police officers gunned down in a coffee shop in November were killed by a man using conventional firearms.

    "Maurice Clemmons, who killed four police officers in Lakewood ... he killed four police officers with eight rounds, think about that," Judy said. "It's either evil or it's not, either ban them all or don't ban any of them."
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  • #2
    Syntax Error
    Veteran Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 3817

    Remember, it's a frustrating fight between logic (those of us that know "assault weapon" is a bull**** term) and emotion (those of the anti-gun camp, preying upon the fears of those who are uninformed).

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    • #3
      Librarian
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      • Oct 2005
      • 44685

      You may also enjoy Preston Covey's "Can Gun Control Reduce Violence?" 2006 presentation to the Pennsylvania Senate Judiciary Committee.

      You will find a similar remorseless logic refuting the grabbers' claims.

      ETA and there is an earlier similar Covey presentation from 1994:
      > The Selective Gun Ban Dilemma:
      >
      > If you are principled & logically consistent, you must ban ALL guns, OR
      > ban NONE. ALL OR NONE.
      >
      > Put more bluntly: a selective gun ban is a scam; if you're committed to
      > banning any gun to reduce gun violence, then you are inevitably
      > committed to banning all guns. If you are honest, you will stand up, say
      > so, & face the political consequences. This is not my paranoia, this is
      > simple logic.
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      • #4
        jonni
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 597

        good on the senator
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        • #5
          Milsurp Collector
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          • Jan 2009
          • 5884

          Thread on this subject http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=259068

          See the video of the hearing http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seatt...plays-politics
          Revolvers are not pistols

          pistol nouna handgun whose chamber is integral with the barrel
          Calling a revolver a "pistol" is like calling a magazine a "clip", calling a shotgun a rifle, or a calling a man a woman.

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          • #6
            oaklander
            Banned
            • May 2006
            • 11095

            "It's really their killing potential," Alison Merrilees, legal counsel for the Firearms Division of the attorney general's office, said in explaining why assault weapons were banned. "The pistol grip allows them to be sprayed randomly. You can kill lots of people without having to reload."



            Same old BS story.

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            • #7
              caoboy
              Senior Member
              • May 2009
              • 2400

              Originally posted by oaklander
              "It's really their killing potential," Alison Merrilees, legal counsel for the Firearms Division of the attorney general's office, said in explaining why assault weapons were banned. "The pistol grip allows them to be sprayed randomly. You can kill lots of people without having to reload."



              Same old BS story.
              I never knew that was what a pistol grip was for.

              I'm totally going to build a featureless rifle now, I don't want to randomly kill lots of people without having to reload!

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              • #8
                GrayWolf09
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2008
                • 1619

                Plus you can hold it by the pistol grip and hit someone with it. That's what make it so dangerous.

                I hate the term "assault weapon". It is a term the Brady Bunch uses to scare people and has no real meaning.
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                • #9
                  corrupt
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 1097

                  Originally posted by caoboy
                  I never knew that was what a pistol grip was for.

                  I'm totally going to build a featureless rifle now, I don't want to randomly kill lots of people without having to reload!

                  Yawn, it's the '90s all over again.
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                  • #10
                    xibunkrlilkidsx
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 5419

                    Originally posted by oaklander
                    "It's really their killing potential," Alison Merrilees, legal counsel for the Firearms Division of the attorney general's office, said in explaining why assault weapons were banned. "The pistol grip allows them to be sprayed randomly. You can kill lots of people without having to reload."



                    Same old BS story.
                    someone has been watching Rambo to much.
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                    • #11
                      gadjeep
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                      • May 2009
                      • 1942

                      Originally posted by oaklander
                      "It's really their killing potential," Alison Merrilees, legal counsel for the Firearms Division of the attorney general's office, said in explaining why assault weapons were banned. "The pistol grip allows them to be sprayed randomly. You can kill lots of people without having to reload."



                      Same old BS story.
                      I need to get some pistol grip thingys for my single shot rifle so I won't have to reload anymore! Should save a bunch on ammo.
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                      • #12
                        Brianguy
                        Veteran Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 3836

                        Originally posted by gadjeep
                        I need to get some pistol grip thingys for my single shot rifle so I won't have to reload anymore! Should save a bunch on ammo.
                        Thats a great idea. I'll put one on my shotgun

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                        • #13
                          radioburning
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                          • Mar 2008
                          • 4811

                          I'ma put a pistol grip on a revolver so it becomes an "assault weapon". It just seems so non-lethal without it...
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                          • #14
                            Scratch705
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                            • May 2009
                            • 12537

                            "My feeling on this is we have laws that protect our children from tobacco, and from narcotics and and from alcohol," Sullivan told lawmakers. "I would just love to see us take some responsibility in protecting our young people from assault weapons. They are impulsive, it was an impulse action that resulted in the death of my son."
                            that should have been the first thing i would rip apart.

                            more teens die in drunk driving accidents, or get addicted to smoking, or get into drugs, more than those that are shot to death by "assault weapons" or even guns in general.

                            the stats for driving deaths, alcohol related deaths, smoking deaths, or drug deaths outnumber gun deaths even if you combine all the gun deaths for the last 5 years together.
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