Hand gun frames

[bishop85]

I'm sure this has been a subject of debate before, but, is there any legal way to get a handgun frame here in cali? I want to do a 1911 build on a fusion frame, but i guess it's just a dream I'm doing one on a SA GI right now but it's just not the same. So if anyone could point me to the right thread or knows any info it would be appreciated! Thanks!

[uscbigdawg]

I won't touch the whole family transfer silliness as I'm not clear on the law with that.

What I'm crystal clear on is if you have a friend that's moving to the state, buy it for you, they then register it with the state when they come in (I think $19 and about 2 months for the paperwork to process), he/she can then private party transfer it to you.

I did this for a number of friends when I came home and it's completely legal.

Rich

[shooting4life]

I wish I new a way

[Blackpowder Burner]

What I'm crystal clear on is if you have a friend that's moving to the state, buy it for you, they then register it with the state when they come in (I think $19 and about 2 months for the paperwork to process), he/she can then private party transfer it to you.

I did this for a number of friends when I came home and it's completely legal.

That is NOT legal. That is called using a straw buyer. One can get in big trouble with the law doing that.

[uscbigdawg]

Ummmm....no. Stamped okey doke, by DOJ.

No straw buyer. Everything is background checked:

1 - Out of state resident buying it in their state and being checked.
2 - Out of state person establishing legal residence in CA and registering said handgun with CA-DOJ and it is in their system.
3 - In state buyer, buying it from new resident via PPT, and going through background check.

That's 3 background checks on two buyers, of 1 pistol. Period. Again, totally stamped off and okay'ed by CA-DOJ.

Thanks again though for showing you have no clue what you're talking about.

Rich

[Blackpowder Burner]

No straw buyer. Everything is background checked:

A straw purchase is defined as any purchase from a dealer holding a Federal Firearms License where the buyer conducting the transaction is acting as a proxy for another person. In addition one of the questions on form 4473 is “I am the buyer of this firearm”. Lying on form 4473 is a felony. It's just me, but I would not do it.

[Noobert]

I think a requirement for a straw purchase is that the ultimate owner cannot legally own it, which is not the case here. Now why is it called "straw" purchase anyways?

[okimreloaded]

I don't think that would be a straw purchase. I believe a straw purchase is if you buy a gun for your brother who is not eligible to own firearms, and even though it's in your name he gave you the money and he's the one keeping it at his residence.

[Blackpowder Burner]

Straw purchase is a transaction where one person is acting as a proxy for another person. The law does not differentiate whether the second person can or cannot legally own a firearm.
Straw purchase probably from "straw man".

[Noobert]

You asked for it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_purchase

(A straw purchase is any purchase whereby the purchaser is knowingly acquiring an item or service for someone who is, for whatever reason, unable to purchase the item or service themselves.)

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/mailbag/article_77cbb0db-eb9e-54b8-975d-5cc53475266f.html

(A straw purchase (when one person buys a gun for another person who is not allowed to buy a gun ))

http://en.allexperts.com/q/2nd-Amendment-Bear-Arms/2009/2/Buying-Gun-Straw-Purchase.htm

(A straw purchase is when an eligible person attempts to buy a gun for an ineligible person)

http://www.dontlie.org/FAQ.cfm

(A straw purchase is an illegal firearm purchase where the actual buyer of the gun, being unable to pass the required federal background check )

http://www.brokawarms.com/library/gunlaws/strawpurchase.html

(a straw purchaser is used because the actual purchaser is prohibited from acquiring the firearm)

etc.

[McCrown]

I don't see any harm in these sort of purchases its kinda like my buddy sees a gun that he thinks I would like except he lives in Sacramento and I live in San Diego. So he calls me and tells me about the gun and I say "thats great, can you buy it then transfer it to me next time we're in town together" and what harm is there in doing that? Its all legal, its just that he is there and willing to buy it and possess it for a while until he can sell or transfer it to me. What harm is there in that, would that be considered a straw purchase or a good friend?

[smokingloon]

I'm sure this has been a subject of debate before, but, is there any legal way to get a handgun frame here in cali? I want to do a 1911 build on a fusion frame, but i guess it's just a dream I'm doing one on a SA GI right now but it's just not the same. So if anyone could point me to the right thread or knows any info it would be appreciated! Thanks!

I ordered one of Bob's kit and am working on getting it sent here. I am going the single shot route with a 7" barrel. Overall, he seems to understand the situation we are in and has been helpful so far.

[audihenry]

I don't see any harm in these sort of purchases its kinda like my buddy sees a gun that he thinks I would like except he lives in Sacramento and I live in San Diego. So he calls me and tells me about the gun and I say "thats great, can you buy it then transfer it to me next time we're in town together" and what harm is there in doing that? Its all legal, its just that he is there and willing to buy it and possess it for a while until he can sell or transfer it to me. What harm is there in that, would that be considered a straw purchase or a good friend?

I had a situation similar to this and the gunshop would not touch it. Also, I was told by the DOJ that this was indeed a straw purchase.

The point is, if you're going to get a gun, get it yourself: you can't have some else get it and then transfer it to you later. Maybe you've gotten away with it, but it's highly risky territory.

[McCrown]

So is it a straw purchase for a friend to buy me a 12 pack of beer? What is preventing that from being a straw purchase?

ETA: This whole straw purchase thing has gotten out of control, it was so bad that my wife wanted to go buy me a gun for Christmas and surprise me that when she went in a gun store, which was a big deal for her, they told her that they wouldn't do it since she was buying it for someone else, how is that since its shared property. Even if we got divorced we would have to split it 50/50 right? So it still is hers.... I just don't understand it

[audihenry]

So is it a straw purchase for a friend to buy me a 12 pack of beer? What is preventing that from being a straw purchase?

ETA: This whole straw purchase thing has gotten out of control, it was so bad that my wife wanted to go buy me a gun for Christmas and surprise me that when she went in a gun store, which was a big deal for her, they told her that they wouldn't do it since she was buying it for someone else, how is that since its shared property. Even if we got divorced we would have to split it 50/50 right? So it still is hers.... I just don't understand it

If you're a minor, I can't buy beer for you. Many people do exactly this, but it's illegal.

The whole idea behind it, right or wrong, is to prevent criminals or other people prevented from purchasing guns, for whatever reason, from using a friend or someone else to bypass the law and get access to it. For example, I wanted to get a LEO to bring in a rare gun that's not on the roster, and then I would PPT it from him. Not legal. Now, the whole law is stupid, but it is what it is.