Unconfigured Ad Widget

Collapse

Why can't California think like this?

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Prc329
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2006
    • 5603

    Why can't California think like this?





    Same information but two links, one to where I saw it and the direct link.

    NASHVILLE -- Spurred by violent crime in Memphis and elsewhere, Tennessee legislators have filed several bills to expand the legal rights of people to use deadly force when threatened by would-be attackers.

    One would specifically allow people in motor vehicles to kill or "cause serious bodily injury" to attackers -- both inside or outside the vehicle -- who they believe are threatening to murder, rape, kidnap, rob or carjack the car's occupants.

    That bill was filed Rep. Ulysses Jones and Sen. Reginald Tate, both Memphis Democrats. "I've heard a lot of support for this. It's time to give citizens the opportunity to protect themselves. Right now, we're at the mercy of what I call 'scum'," Jones, a Memphis Fire Department paramedic, said Tuesday.

    Another bill by Jones and Sen. Dewayne Bunch, R-Cleveland, would extend the right of business owners or their security guards to use deadly force inside or immediately outside their businesses, against a person who "unlawfully and forcibly" enters or attempts to enter, if they have a "reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or serious bodily injury" to themselves, employees or customers.

    Those two proposals are among 11 bills filed through Tuesday that would extend rights of citizens to defend themselves outside of their homes. Current Tennessee law allows residents to use deadly force against someone who breaks into their homes while they're at home; there's a legal presumption that an intruder intends to cause occupants harm.

    Shelby County Dist. Atty. Gen. William Gibbons, who was in the State Capitol Tuesday meeting with lawmakers on other matters, said he "conceptually supports" legislation such as Jones' anti-carjacking bill but couldn't comment on it specifically because he hadn't seen it.

    Several of the newly filed bills would enact "no-retreat" laws, permitting the use of deadly force in self-defense against would-be malefactors that a citizen believes is threatening to attack them. The National Rifle Association has pushed similar laws in other states, and won approval of one in Florida in 2005 that says citizens have no duty to back down from an attacker before firing a weapon.

    Jones said he filed his two bills because crime in Memphis and elsewhere leaves people feeling vulnerable. He said he hopes people will seek proper training before using the force the bills would -- if signed into law -- authorize.

    Tennessee's gun-carry laws require people to undergo firearms training with certified instructors before being issued permits.

    Other Memphis area lawmakers who have filed bills expanding the legal authority for self-defense with deadly force include Sens. Mark Norris, R-Collierville, Paul Stanley, R-Germantown, and Roy Herron, D-Dresden.

    All of the bills are expected to undergo close scrutiny and face an uphill battle becoming law. No law can be enacted without approval of both the Senate and House of Representatives, and ultimately the governor.
    sigpic
  • #2
    kilword
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2006
    • 970

    big +1 on that

    Comment

    • #3
      Centurion_D
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2005
      • 1983

      Umm..because the is a liberally controlled state with movie stars and media working hand in hand with the gun grabbers. There is no common sense in this god forsaken state..

      Comment

      • #4
        CalNRA
        Calguns Addict
        • Apr 2006
        • 8686

        my theory is this:

        most Californians came from somewhere else and have no real attachment to the state. THey came to california looking for a buck to make and stayed for the money. therefore they and their kids tend to want easy solution so that they won't have to deal with it themselves, hence letting the government take over their whole lives.

        I honestly think California is the way it is because its people are not the self-sufficient kind and don't want to take charge of their own lives.
        Originally posted by cvigue
        This is not rocket surgery.

        Comment

        • #5
          kilword
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2006
          • 970

          Originally posted by CalNRA

          I honestly think California is the way it is because its people are not the self-sufficient kind and don't want to take charge of their own lives.
          Another bigggggggggg +1 on that

          Comment

          • #6
            brighamr
            Member
            • Nov 2006
            • 309

            complete agreement with above statement
            either start being proactive or leave the state. The longer you're here, and waiting for bills to pass, the less rights you will have.

            Comment

            • #7
              12:13
              Member
              • Dec 2006
              • 394

              Originally posted by Centurion_D
              Umm..because the is a liberally controlled state with movie stars and media working hand in hand with the gun grabbers. There is no common sense in this god forsaken state..
              +1 on that
              Hope for the best, expect the worse... Does that make me an optimistic pessimist?!

              Comment

              • #8
                schizrade2
                Member
                • Dec 2005
                • 352

                Sheeple. See above statement.
                And God said \"taketh your rifles, all of ye, all but those unto the nation of California, for exempt must their rifles be and the resth are forlorn.\" So sayth the Lord.

                Comment

                • #9
                  Pthfndr
                  In Memoriam
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 3691

                  California law allows the use of deadly force to protect yourself and others if you are in fear for your/their life. Inside the house and in public.

                  TN is just playing catch up.
                  Rob Thomas - Match Director NCPPRC Tactical Long Range Match

                  Match Director Sac Valley Vintage Military Rifle Long Range Match

                  Comment

                  • #10
                    Guinness
                    Member
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 337

                    Originally posted by Centurion_D
                    Umm..because the is a liberally controlled state with movie stars and media working hand in hand with the gun grabbers. There is no common sense in this god forsaken state..

                    wow, you read my mind word for word!
                    -You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.

                    -Any twelve people who can't get themselves out of jury duty are not my peers.

                    Comment

                    • #11
                      VeryCoolCat
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 11275

                      Well I agree to this... we don't need to turn into a FLORIDA STAND YOUR GROUND law. I am completely for self defense but that takes the cake.

                      I've heard a few people were shot and killed in florida because a man put a for sale sign on his classic car, this guy and 2 girls. One of the girls was 15 were driving late at night. Got out to check the number on the for sale sign. The guy shot and killed the 3 even as they were running away. Got the 15 year old in the back.

                      He got off on the Stand your ground law. Even though the 3 never had any evidence of being crooks or having a record of being delinquints.
                      Originally posted by Kestryll
                      The volume of blood necessary to achieve erection would cause you to either pass out or if you didn't and managed to maintain an erection you would likely die from lack of oxygen to the heart and brain.
                      Originally posted by ivanimal
                      Just be glad you are not his next door neighbor. I am sure there are "good tunes" flowing out the window. I am imagining a cop car pulling up at 1:30 AM asking "Are you having a party?" and Bundo sayin "Nope just me and the BG's"

                      Comment

                      • #12
                        thomye
                        Member
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 338

                        cuz Boxer is an idiot. ugly too. was that below the ovaries, sorry. just and idiot then.
                        If GUNS kill people, then SPOONS make people fat.

                        Comment

                        • #13
                          jjperl
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 936

                          Originally posted by Centurion_D
                          Umm..because the is a liberally controlled state with movie stars and media working hand in hand with the gun grabbers. There is no common sense in this god forsaken state..
                          +++1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 on that

                          Comment

                          • #14
                            ElKabong
                            Junior Member
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 27

                            California seems like a whole population of sheep waiting to be slaughtered to me.

                            In a region that seems to be disaster prone with this kind of population density, it seems like a huge mess just waiting to happen. If there was any doubt about it, the King riots and Katrina pretty much dispelled them in my mind. Some people can blame FEMA all they want, but every quake disaster preparedness guide I've read since years before the King riots has said you have to be prepared to hold out for at least two weeks (two to four weeks was always the numbers I've heard). In fact Katrina was probably the best case because they had a few days forewarning so people had some time to prepare and/or flee in advance.

                            In a way we have also been given similar warning from both the USGS and a recent study at Scripps which say that we can expect an 8.0 quake along the southern end of San Andreas within the next decade or so (so saying sometime between today and 2027 would be a sure bet). The part of the fault running from Palm Springs through Riverside being at highest risk at this point.

                            Really makes you think doesn't it?

                            Comment

                            • #15
                              Matt-man
                              Member
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 343

                              Originally posted by VeryCoolCat
                              Well I agree to this... we don't need to turn into a FLORIDA STAND YOUR GROUND law. I am completely for self defense but that takes the cake.
                              Do you understand what "stand your ground" means in the context of self-defense? It removes the duty to retreat if you are in a place that you have a right to be in. "Duty to retreat" means that if you're threatened, you have to try to get away first, and responding with deadly force is permissible only if you've tried to get away.

                              From the original article:

                              Several of the newly filed bills would enact "no-retreat" laws, permitting the use of deadly force in self-defense against would-be malefactors that a citizen believes is threatening to attack them. The National Rifle Association has pushed similar laws in other states, and won approval of one in Florida in 2005 that says citizens have no duty to back down from an attacker before firing a weapon.
                              That right there is "stand your ground." If you think "stand your ground" means "I can kill people over property" you've been reading too much New York Times.

                              Originally posted by VeryCoolCat
                              I've heard a few people were shot and killed in florida because a man put a for sale sign on his classic car, this guy and 2 girls. One of the girls was 15 were driving late at night. Got out to check the number on the for sale sign. The guy shot and killed the 3 even as they were running away. Got the 15 year old in the back.

                              He got off on the Stand your ground law. Even though the 3 never had any evidence of being crooks or having a record of being delinquints.
                              Got a citation for this, or is it just what you've heard?
                              Somebody wake up Hicks.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              UA-8071174-1