Gun Lock Question

[bigthaiboy]

Not sure if this may has been covered before but, if I were to sell one of my firearms to another private party, and we went to do a PPT at a FFL. Can I include a CA-approved gun lock with the gun purchase, to save the buyer having to buy a new lock from the store, or to provide a receipt for a recently (>30 days) purchased lock?

[damndave]

there has to be a receipt dated within the last 30 days or he has to sign the affidavit showing he owns a safe

[bigthaiboy]

OK, thanks. I wasn't sure about the receipt bit.

[Dekker]

Only a minor inconvenience really, just get a lock from a different store and show them the receipt and then return it.

[retired]

A little OT, but it's about something mentioned about the lock. I have been told by a ffl tho Ca. says a receipt within 30 days is fine for the state, the federal requirement for a valid lock is a receipt within 10 days. He also said the federal requirement supersedes the state one.

Is this incorrect and he is wrong or is he correct and a receipt within 10, not 30 days required.

[dustoff31]

A little OT, but it's about something mentioned about the lock. I have been told by a ffl tho Ca. says a receipt within 30 days is fine for the state, the federal requirement for a valid lock is a receipt within 10 days. He also said the federal requirement supersedes the state one.

Is this incorrect and he is wrong or is he correct and a receipt within 10, not 30 days required.

I've never heard of that. I can say that it certainly isn't the case here in AZ. AZ follows fed law. New guns go out the door with the lock they came with. If you bring your own lock, for a used gun, that's fine too. No receipt whatsoever is required.

[Shawn L]

The last 2 PPT I did at Turners they didn't make me purchase a lock. Both times the employee saw the stock lock that came with the gun and never brought up the fact that I had to buy another one. I just kept my mouth shut.

[Librarian]

A little OT, but it's about something mentioned about the lock. I have been told by a ffl tho Ca. says a receipt within 30 days is fine for the state, the federal requirement for a valid lock is a receipt within 10 days. He also said the federal requirement supersedes the state one.

Is this incorrect and he is wrong or is he correct and a receipt within 10, not 30 days required.

Feds don't specify a date. The way the Federal law is written, you should be able to bring any old appropriate lock from home for your handguns; CA, however, still requires CA-approved locks and within the previous 30 days receipt. See the Wiki.

[bigthaiboy]

The reason I asked the question was, in the past when I have bought new firearms some are supplied with a (CA approved type) lock this has been OK to the FFL. I was not made to buy a new lock at the time of DROS / pick-up.

I am thinking of selling a firearm I bought which came with a factory / distributor supplied lock. The firearm is still new & unfired and still in factory box. Just seems a waste to have the new buyer buy a new lock when there is still the factory supplied lock still right there in the box.

[Cokebottle]

Federal law requires that a lock be "furnished".
California requires "proof of purchase" or owner's safe affidavit.

Seems that some FFL's interpret "proof of purchase" as having to have a separate and distinct receipt for the lock... all they need to do is itemize the manufacturer-supplied lock on the receipt and everyone is covered.

The Feds don't accept the safe affidavit, so a lock must still be "furnished" under federal requirements.

When I bought my XD9, it came with a lock right in the box and the FFL did not make me buy a second lock, and this is an FFL that tends to be very careful, referring to BR dealers as selling "felonious assault weapons"

[K5Cruiser]

If it's a long gun and the purchaser owns a safe, no lock is necessary as long as purchaser provides make and model of safe to FFL.