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  • crud
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
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    Last edited by crud; 09-18-2011, 10:09 AM.
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    Hopi
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2005
    • 7700

    Search for Harrot v. Kings County....basically Harrot mooted Kasler.

    Here you go....

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    • #3
      crud
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 518

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      Last edited by crud; 12-17-2009, 9:40 AM.

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        crud
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2009
        • 518

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        Last edited by crud; 09-18-2011, 10:10 AM.

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        • #5
          OHOD
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          CGN Contributor
          • Jan 2009
          • 11047

          Originally posted by crud
          I just want to know how careful I need to be with an AR. If I should make a hidden compartment underneath my vehicle to transport it, I will.
          That's kind of extreme.
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          • #6
            EOD Guy
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2005
            • 1229

            Originally posted by crud
            I just want to know how careful I need to be with an AR. If I should make a hidden compartment underneath my vehicle to transport it, I will.
            Originally posted by OHOD
            That's kind of extreme.
            Also illegal.

            Selected Intelligence Brief

            COMMON VEHICLE CONCEALMENT METHODS USED IN THE UNITED STATES

            DEA Intelligence Division
            Office of Strategic Intelligence
            Domestic Strategic Intelligence Unit

            202/307-8726

            [Unclassified; Reprinted With Permission]

            Possession of hidden compartments or "automotive safes," as they are known in commercial parlance, is not illegal in most states.

            1 Hidden compartments are illegal in only a handful of states to include California, Illinois, and Michigan.

            2 Penalties for possession of illegal traps vary from seizure of the vehicle in Illinois, to jail or prison time not to exceed 1 year in California. Conversely, trap fabricators in California, "shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for 16 months or from 2 to 3 years."
            Last edited by EOD Guy; 12-17-2009, 9:56 AM. Reason: Add DEA article

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            • #7
              oaklander
              Banned
              • May 2006
              • 11095

              It is NOT a gray area! Off-list ARs and AKs are legal if properly configured.

              Originally posted by crud
              Bridgeport, thanks for the welcome. I HAVE done Extensive searching on this website, as well as others. From what I have gathered from this research is that if I am caught legally transporting my AR, I may need to hire an attourney to stay out of jail, and get my gun back (due to the LEO's lack of knowledge or interpretation of the law). At that point it will be up to the DA or judge to decide my fate, because this seems to be a grey area, and decided case by case.
              I have read numerous times that my AR is legal, but I don't ever recall reading it on anything supported by the people who have the ability of taking it from me. I just want to know how careful I need to be with an AR. If I should make a hidden compartment underneath my vehicle to transport it, I will.
              As far as the DOJ website... It seems VERY clear that any variation of an AR is considered an assault weapon. If the DOJ is not able to make/ change laws, then this is irrelevant I guess. Is it not written anywhere stating that these "off list" guns are o.k. to posses?

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              • #8
                Fate
                Calguns Addict
                • Apr 2006
                • 9545

                Originally posted by crud
                Is it not written anywhere stating that these "off list" guns are o.k. to posses?
                Laws define crimes. Nothing more. There's nothing "written anywhere" that says it's ok for you to breathe. If it's not in the Penal Code listed as a crime, it's legal.

                Your fear is so 2006. Relax.
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                , in a letter to his nephew Peter Carr dated August 19, 1785

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                • #9
                  WeekendWarrior
                  Veteran Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 3536

                  Hell yeah they are. Go to any range and look for OLLs - they are everywhere - If properly configured they are legal to own.
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                  • #10
                    Fate
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 9545

                    Originally posted by EOD Guy
                    Also illegal.
                    Penal Code? I remember hearing that something was proposed about hidden compartments, but did it become law?
                    sigpic "On bended knee is no way to be free." - Eddie Vedder, "Guaranteed"

                    "Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." -Thomas Jefferson
                    , in a letter to his nephew Peter Carr dated August 19, 1785

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                    • #11
                      PIRATE14
                      Veteran Member
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 3189

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                      • #12
                        GrizzlyGuy
                        Gun Runner to The Stars
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • May 2009
                        • 5468

                        Originally posted by EOD Guy
                        Also illegal.
                        FYI, what you quoted only applies to false compartments used for storing controlled substances (illegal drugs). The CA law is Health And Safety Code Section 11366.8.

                        Republican state senator Bob Huff wrote a bill (AB 278) that would have extended that law to false compartments for firearms. The bill died in committee last November as the bill's history shows. So, you can still have a false compartment in your vehicle for use in transporting firearms (but not illegal drugs).
                        Gun law complexity got you down? Get the FAQs, Jack!

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                        • #13
                          redcliff
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 5676

                          Originally posted by crud
                          I have read numerous times that my AR is legal, but I don't ever recall reading it on anything supported by the people who have the ability of taking it from me. I just want to know how careful I need to be with an AR. If I should make a hidden compartment underneath my vehicle to transport it, I will.
                          As far as the DOJ website... It seems VERY clear that any variation of an AR is considered an assault weapon. If the DOJ is not able to make/ change laws, then this is irrelevant I guess. Is it not written anywhere stating that these "off list" guns are o.k. to posses?

                          Heres one item that may give you some assurance: http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Sac...2008-11-18.pdf

                          Unfortunately the DOJ seems incapable or unwilling to properly update the AW guide post Harrot vs. King's County.
                          Last edited by redcliff; 12-17-2009, 10:41 AM.
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                            EOD Guy
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 1229

                            Originally posted by GrizzlyGuy
                            FYI, what you quoted only applies to false compartments used for storing controlled substances (illegal drugs). The CA law is Health And Safety Code Section 11366.8.

                            Republican state senator Bob Huff wrote a bill (AB 278) that would have extended that law to false compartments for firearms. The bill died in committee last November as the bill's history shows. So, you can still have a false compartment in your vehicle for use in transporting firearms (but not illegal drugs).
                            I stand corrected. I thought it was a general prohibition. Reading the H&S Code shows that it is specific to illegal drugs.

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                            • #15
                              crud
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 518

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                              Last edited by crud; 09-18-2011, 10:10 AM.

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