trigger locks

[RGERBER]

I have all my guns in a walk-in Gun vault, apparently the state of California in all its wisdom still thinks they are not safe, I understand I need a 2nd lock?

Has anyone used these locks before?

http://www.amazon.com/Keyed-Alike-Brand-Trigger-Locks/dp/B0019HNH62

24 pack is under $ 100.00 bucks

[Hollow Grind]

I got a free one at my local police department.

[halifax]

They don't appear to be CA DOJ approved. Other than that, they probably work fine. Why do you believe your walk-in safe is insufficient?

[Librarian]

Actually, why do you think "apparently the state of California in all its wisdom still thinks they are not safe"?

Other than keeping guns out of the hands of minors, CA doesn't require anything of regular gun owners in the way of storage.

Now, if you mean that an FFL wants you to buy a lock with a new handgun, THAT is a different story.

CA will accept their own safe affidavit for long guns. But the FEDS will not accept it for handguns.

And since CA insists that any trigger lock meets 2 criteria:

1. it's a CA-approved device AND
2. it was purchased within the 30 days preceding the gun purchase

buying a pack of keyed-alike locks isn't going to help 31 days after the lock purchase.

See the Calguns Foundation Wiki article.

[audihenry]

I got a free one at my local police department.

I asked at my local PD and they looked at me like I was crazy.

[Mitch]

Actually, why do you think "apparently the state of California in all its wisdom still thinks they are not safe"?

Other than keeping guns out of the hands of minors, CA doesn't require anything of regular gun owners in the way of storage.

This is true. There is no statutory requirement to store firearms in safes or to keep them locked up. You are simply in deep kimchee if a child gets one of your guns and hurts himself or someone else with it.

Aside from the laws, locks on guns might sometimes be useful, but in my experience trigger locks are useless. They seem to be one of those ideas some legislator who never touched a firearm came up with: "Hey, if you need to pull the trigger to fire the gun, how about a lock on the trigger?" They are unwieldy and cumbersome, and there is no universal fit.

A better solution is a cable lock that passes through the action or magazine well. This wouldn't occur to a gun-grabbing legislator, but they are easy to use and render any repeating firearm unshootable.

[RGERBER]

In my CCW class,I was given these rules, and I am reading the paper in front of me.- I very well could be mis interrupting.

Firearms should be stored double locked.
Firearms and ammo should be stored separately.
Use a firearm safety devise AND store in a locked container ( DOJ )
Criminal storage of firearms: PC12035 & PC12036

Therefore, I was trying to store my guns and ammo separate and double locked, if I was forced to shoot an intruder I wanted everything in my home to be up to current code.

[Mitch]

In my CCW class,I was given these rules, and I am reading the paper in front of me.

Firearms should be stored double locked.
Firearms and ammo should be stored separately.
Use a firearm safety devise AND store in a locked container ( DOJ )
Criminal storage of firearms: PC12035 & PC12036

Read the statutes. They don't actually require any of that.

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12035.html

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12036.html

[Librarian]

In my CCW class,I was given these rules, and I am reading the paper in front of me.

Firearms should be stored double locked.
Firearms and ammo should be stored separately.
Use a firearm safety devise AND store in a locked container ( DOJ )
Criminal storage of firearms: PC12035 & PC12036

Therefore, I was trying to store my guns and ammo separate and double locked, if I was forced to shoot an intruder I wanted everything in my home to be up to current code.

Nothing mentioned there is 'current code'.

If you follow those recommendations, you'll be looking for the key to all your locks while the Bad Guys are emptying your house.

12035 is, primarily

(b) (1) Except as provided in subdivision (c), a person commits
the crime of "criminal storage of a firearm of the first degree" if
he or she keeps any loaded firearm within any premises that are under
his or her custody or control and he or she knows or reasonably
should know that a child is likely to gain access to the firearm
without the permission of the child's parent or legal guardian and
the child obtains access to the firearm and thereby causes death or
great bodily injury to himself, herself, or any other person.
...
(c) Subdivision (b) shall not apply whenever any of the following
occurs:
(1) The child obtains the firearm as a result of an illegal entry
to any premises by any person.
(2) The firearm is kept in a locked container or in a location
that a reasonable person would believe to be secure.
(3) The firearm is carried on the person or within such a close
proximity thereto that the individual can readily retrieve and use
the firearm as if carried on the person.
(4) The firearm is locked with a locking device that has rendered
the firearm inoperable.
(5) The person is a peace officer or a member of the armed forces
or National Guard and the child obtains the firearm during, or
incidental to, the performance of the person's duties.
(6) The child obtains, or obtains and discharges, the firearm in a
lawful act of self-defense or defense of another person, or persons.
(7) The person who keeps a loaded firearm on any premise that is
under his or her custody or control has no reasonable expectation,
based on objective facts and circumstances, that a child is likely to
be present on the premises.

Either (2) or (4) is sufficient; if you're happier doing both, then certainly you may, but there's no requirement to do so.

[RGERBER]

No my intent is to be legally correct, not more than.

How about the ammo stored in a separate location, it is in the safest location now, completely sounded by 8” of concrete, with vault door. Safe from fire and theft.

[retired]

Actually, why do you think "apparently the state of California in all its wisdom still thinks they are not safe"?

Other than keeping guns out of the hands of minors, CA doesn't require anything of regular gun owners in the way of storage.

Now, if you mean that an FFL wants you to buy a lock with a new handgun, THAT is a different story.

CA will accept their own safe affidavit for long guns. But the FEDS will not accept it for handguns.

And since CA insists that any trigger lock meets 2 criteria:

1. it's a CA-approved device AND
2. it was purchased within the 30 days preceding the gun purchase

buying a pack of keyed-alike locks isn't going to help 31 days after the lock purchase.

See the Calguns Foundation Wiki article.

I have been told by a FFL that there is a federal law stating the lock has to have been purchased within 10 days, so a receipt showing that is necessary and the Ca. 30 day requirement is superseded. Is that FUD or is it correct.

[Army]

All you "need" to do, is to take REASONABLE steps to keep the firearms from a minors hands. Locked behind a walk-in vault door is more than reasonable.

This does NOT stop you from teaching gun handling or letting kids see/feel/hold your guns at any time.

[Librarian]

I have been told by a FFL that there is a federal law stating the lock has to have been purchased within 10 days, so a receipt showing that is necessary and the Ca. 30 day requirement is superseded. Is that FUD or is it correct.

Feds have no such reg, AFAIK. Nothing on the BATF web site.