gangbangers!

[trigger happy]

how many would agree that the sweeping gun reform laws that have evolved over the years have stemmed from gang related shootings and their choice of the so called AW?

[trigger happy]

how many would agree that the sweeping gun reform laws that have evolved over the years have stemmed from gang related shootings and their choice of the so called AW?

[Librarian]

I believe very few would agree.

The 'so called assault weapons' are in fact NOT any group of criminal actors' 'weapon of choice'; firearms recovered and associated with use in crimes show all versions of 'assault weapons' at 2%-4% of the total.

Whenever a grabber wants to demonize another weapon or class of weapons - 'Saturday night specials', 'pocket rockets', 'concealed pistols', 'sniper rifles', '.50 caliber weapons', the grabber claims it is someone's 'weapon of choice' for some criminal activity.

[Rascal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Librarian:
I believe very few would agree.

The 'so called assault weapons' are in fact NOT any group of criminal actors' 'weapon of choice'; firearms recovered and associated with use in crimes show all versions of 'assault weapons' at 2%-4% of the total.

Whenever a grabber wants to demonize another weapon or class of weapons - 'Saturday night specials', 'pocket rockets', 'concealed pistols', 'sniper rifles', '.50 caliber weapons', the grabber claims it is someone's 'weapon of choice' for some criminal activity. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
+1

[LongBch_SigP226]

Nah, its more related to decline of quality of people that own guns. Go to any shooting range and you see what I mean. They are ruining it for rest of us.

[Ducati748r]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DingChavez:
Nah, its more related to decline of quality of people that own guns. Go to any shooting range and you see what I mean. They are ruining it for rest of us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I second that.

[Ford8N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Nah, its more related to decline of quality of people that own guns. Go to any shooting range and you see what I mean. They are ruining it for rest of us.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please explain?

[CowtownBallin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ford 8N:

Please explain? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think the point Ding Chavez is getting at is that guns aren't just for rich white men anymore, but you have more and more minorities participating in gun ownership, and that makes him mad. Because we all know only white people know anything about guns and gun safety

(joking)

[maxicon]

I believe it's due to perceptions of the politicians and the people who believe what the newspapers tell them that criminals are using these guns and other weapons. These perceptions come from Hollywood and media, and they have no idea how far off base they are.

A good example in the CA dangerous weapons laws is presence of martial arts weapons - nunchuks, ballistic knives, shuriken, and the "shobi-zue". A lot of those came from fears of Chinese gangs, obviously written in by someone who's seen too many kung-fu films.

Shuriken and ballistic knives are not particularly dangerous as real weapons. The shobi-zue was in the law for years before they even defined what it was, and a google search would only come up with references to California law. Nobody knew what they were even talking about.

It's like they had Hunter Thompson brief them on what needed to be outlawed to get the Tongs under control.

Lipstick knives, air gauge knives, writing pen knives, all the same thing. What a bunch of nuts, and they're writing the laws!

Likewise, they see these black guns and Mac 10s in movies, and the streets are full of chaos from those gosh-darned things! Why, Uzis spew hundreds of rounds all up and down the streets - nobody could have a legit use for one!

I have no doubt this is the root of the problem, along with the fact that more and more people have never handled a gun or don't know anyone with a gun (that they're aware of), so they're unaware they're being BS'd.

As for the yahoo gun owners, they've always been with us. I think they have more effect within the gun community, and people outside the community are unaware of them.

[LongBch_SigP226]

I think its a conspiracy with super elite powers of Hollywood are bribing politicans into banning Nunchuks, Shuriken, Katana, AK47s, AR15s, etc so that we all go to the movies and buy soda and popcorns.

[ivanimal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">how many would agree that the sweeping gun reform laws that have evolved over the years have stemmed from gang related shootings and their choice of the so called AW? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Saying that would be too general. Like saying the goons we sometimes see at ranges represent gun owners. I have personally hunted with white-collar professionals, which I will never set a foot afield with ever again. They scare me more than range ninjas. It is never comfortable hunting with a person that wants to learn from mistakes.
Being ignorant to what we are all about is the worst reformist of all. A person who learns on the fly and makes decisions based on misinformation seems to be the biggest problem. If I was to be so general I would say that paranoia set forth by the media, from gun attacks of schools did more harm than anything.

[Technical Ted]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ford 8N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Nah, its more related to decline of quality of people that own guns. Go to any shooting range and you see what I mean. They are ruining it for rest of us.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please explain? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Probably means the typical two or three guys at every supervised range who are all new or infrequent shooters and don't have the common sense to bring an experienced shooter or read the rules before approaching the line. The two guys who walk past the row of men and boys standing behind the firing line to set their firearms on the a bench during the cease fire. The two guys who fail to hear the instructions to not stop at the benches after they've come back from the target line to post or check their targets.

You know, the two guys in every size, shape, color and age at every range who apparently can't hear, read, speak or understand English until the RSO yells at them two or three times over the PA.

[PKAY]

It has been my observation that the media and the entertainment industry (and they overlap considerably) portray firearms in the hands of only two groups, cops and bad guys. I have never seen any portrayal other than that. You rarely if ever will see a firearm in the possession of, much less being used by, a simple, law-abiding civilian in a lawful manner or in self defense.

Shooting programming on The Outdoor Channel or The History Channel is it, period. And most city dwelling, movie going, TV watching, non firearm familiar dweebs never tune that in. These are the folks who make up the metropolitan masses and vote Blue in CA, San Francisco and environs, Los Angeles and environs, and San Diego and environs.

[Guest]

I think it has a lot to do with how guns and shooters are portrayed in the news and entertainment media. Not that there is much of a difference between the two these days. Hollywood puts out TV shows and movies in which guns and shooting are portrayed only as being a part of crime. When was the last time you saw a TV show or movie in which a hunter was portrayed as a responsible gun owner? My answer is I have never seen that. Then you have the leftist media who know nothing about guns and easily fall for the hard core anti's propaganda. Case in point, the case two weeks ago about a boy in Richmond, CA busted with an AK. The story on KRON channel 7 news reported the gun was an SKS. When I emailed the producer about the mistake I got a snotty email reply saying I didn't know what I was talking about because the Richmond PD and ATF told him it was an SKS, which he claimed is banned in CA. Ignorance and stupidity, but that's what passes for journalism these days.

[endings1@aol.com]

The reason CA and any state is anti-gun is because the pro-gunners(anyone that has a interest in anything gun related) do not vote, or do not care about the gun issue enough to elect a gun friendly canidate for office. We made our bed and now we are sleeping in it.

I am the reason, 52 freedom hating members of congress lost their seats after passing the first Federal "Assualt" Weapons BAN, yes...there will be others, freedom has a shelf life if you don't cherish it enough to vote for it! I'm the reason Grey Davis got the boot after returning the socialists political favors by signing off on more gun control(SB-23 - NO MILITARY STYLE WEAPONS AND OVER 10 ROUND MAGAZINES FOR CALIFORNIA)...and I'm the reason that gun grabbing Governator will get ZERO support from me ever! For banning the .50 BMG in California, not ONE stinking crime in CA commited with a .50 BMG. And, lastly I'm the reason BUSH is the stinking president, cos' he's pro gun, he let the AWB DIE and I will forever be grateful...like a liberated Iraqi, even tho my commie state of CA still won't give me my effing freedom. At least there's hope of re-locating to free America. Hate Bush? great! Point the finger at Feinstein, Shcumer, Kennedy, Clinton, CA, Kerry, Washington D.C., Hitler, U.S.S.R., China, Cuba, Iraq for putting him there! Bush represents the right to arm yourself with whatever you want! Viva Bush! Down to all Tyranny!!!!!

No offense, but I've been fighting the good fight for gun owners since I was old enough to vote, I'm 33 now. It's not a republican/democrat thing....any party will make my ****list when they ban guns. Without the right to bear arms, there's no freedom of speech, no freedom of religion, no freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, no right to not incriminate yourself.....everyone in America would be living in a Police State, not just California!

Only voting and violence fuels revolutions, which choice are you going to make? I prefer peace, through superiour voting numbers.

If you don't vote, ya can't bitch!

Vote to hire! If you vote to fire, it's already too late...

Sincerely,

Your friendly neighorhood one issue voter.

-Stanze

P.S. I shot my SKS last weekend, although it was fun...it was heartbreaking, gone are the days of shooting 30 rounds and up through AR-15s, AKs thanks to the Nazis who run this POS state. The Del Mar gun show was a freaking joke w/ just 1 building half filled with gun related dealers, it used to be 3 buildings people!!!!!

P.P.S. let me also say...and I fear nothing from saying this, "If you don't vote, you're part of the problem".