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  • NapaCountyShooter
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 2417

    Pre ban mags and public ranges

    So, I bought a mini 14 in 1998 and a couple 30 round mags that same year. It's a completely evil featureless rifle and so, the pre ban mags are legal. My question is this- In the past, I had a private place to shoot, and if that wasn't available, I had blm land available where nearly nobody was around and if they were, they didn't care. Now, semi recently, the blm land prohibited target shooting and I don't have a private range available anymore. I'm looking into public ranges and wanted to know peoples' opinions on high cap pre ban mags in public ranges. Does this fall into putting yourself into a bad situation even though it's technically legal? Is it more trouble than it's worth? I'm not a big fan of my stock 5 round box, but I'm not looking for trouble either....Talk amongst yourselves.
    Jonah
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    CSACANNONEER
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    • Dec 2006
    • 44093

    What's the problem? If you legally own them and want to legally use them at a "public" range, there is no problem. Now, all "public" ranges are privately owned or, at least privately run so, they may have their own rules which you should follow and respect. But, I've never seen a range rule which limited the use of any magazine. I have heard something about limiting the number of rounds which can be loaded into an SKS but, that is for completely different reasons than what you're thinking about.
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    • #3
      bballwizard05
      Veteran Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 3323

      Some public ranges have a sign saying "no high cap mags" and yes sometimes you will prolly get knowledge-less people buggin you. but its obviously legal and therefore your right!

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      • #4
        jdogg2000
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2009
        • 787

        Originally posted by NapaCountyShooter
        So, I bought a mini 14 in 1998 and a couple 30 round mags that same year. It's a completely evil featureless rifle and so, the pre ban mags are legal. My question is this- In the past, I had a private place to shoot, and if that wasn't available, I had blm land available where nearly nobody was around and if they were, they didn't care. Now, semi recently, the blm land prohibited target shooting and I don't have a private range available anymore. I'm looking into public ranges and wanted to know peoples' opinions on high cap pre ban mags in public ranges. Does this fall into putting yourself into a bad situation even though it's technically legal? Is it more trouble than it's worth? I'm not a big fan of my stock 5 round box, but I'm not looking for trouble either....Talk amongst yourselves.
        In my opinion, you are completely within the law to be using those mags with that rifle, so you should feel free to exercise your right to use them. At least at the ranges that I go to, there are people with standard cap mags everywhere and no one looks twice. These ranges are frequented by LEOs, and I haven't heard of anyone being hassled by them over EBRs or legal standard cap mags. I've never heard of any cases of a LEO coming up to a random person at a range and initiating an investigation into the legality of his/her magazines. Have any of you guys ever been questioned at a range (by LE) about the legality of your mags?

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        • #5
          B Strong
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Feb 2009
          • 6367

          Featureless + high-caps = legal joy.

          Unless the range has a problem with it, shoot it until the handguard melts.
          The way some gunshop clerks spout off, you'd think that they invented gunpowder and the repeating rifle, and sat on the Supreme Court as well.
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          • #6
            Acorn556
            Senior Member
            • May 2009
            • 2107

            I agree with everyone. Be prepared for people to tell you it's illegal but don't make a big deal about it. Walk in with the gun and the mags and enjoy yourself. When someone mentions it to you, unless it's the range master, tell them thank you for the advice and you'll investigate the legalities of your firearms later but would like to focus on the shooting.

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            • #7
              NapaCountyShooter
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2009
              • 2417

              Thanks guys, I've just never shot at a public range and wanted to know some general feedback on personal experience. This makes me feel better about it.
              Jonah

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              • #8
                Swatguy10_15
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 611

                Wasnt the "brady bill" AW garbage in effect from 1994 to 2004? Thus overlapping with California's own b.s. High cap law in 2000?
                Embrace the suck.

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                • #9
                  CSACANNONEER
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                  • Dec 2006
                  • 44093

                  Originally posted by Swatguy10_15
                  Wasnt the "brady bill" AW garbage in effect from 1994 to 2004? Thus overlapping with California's own b.s. High cap law in 2000?
                  Yes. I just think that you really don't understand what the '94 ban was. You've made several references to it like it was a ban against purchasing +10 round mags. It never set ANY restrictions on the purchase of any magazine. It only banned the manufacture of +10 round mags for civilian use. I was perfectly legal for anyone, of any age, to purchase +10 round mags in Ca. through 12-31-00. I hope this helps you better understand the flawed logic you keep using regarding the overlap of these two bans.
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                  • #10
                    Greg-Dawg
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 7793

                    Range officers are not the ATF. The only person that knows about your magazines is YOU.

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                    • #11
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                      • Sep 2007
                      • 9409

                      You didn't say where you live, but if it is anywhere near the Lytle Creek Firing Line off the 15fwy and Sierra, you are gtg.

                      I have shot my AK type OLL with the 30 round mags and 75 round drum that I bought in 1998 at the old Pomona gun show. They don't care.

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                      • #12
                        CSACANNONEER
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                        • Dec 2006
                        • 44093

                        Range officers are not the ATF. The only person that knows about your magazines is YOU.
                        Why would ATF give a flying ........about any magazines? They don't have much to do with state laws.
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                        • #13
                          BigDogatPlay
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 7362

                          Mags owned prior to cutoff + featureless rifle = no problem.

                          As above some unknowing or helpful types may give you guff, and some ranges won't allow them, but otherwise GTG.
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                          • #14
                            lorax3
                            Super Moderator
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 4633

                            To the OP: Most range masters number one priority is safety. As long as you are being safe they usually stay out of your business.

                            Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                            I was perfectly legal for anyone, of any age, to purchase +10 round mags in Ca. through 12-31-00. I hope this helps you better understand the flawed logic you keep using regarding the overlap of these two bans.
                            I really don't mean to nitpick, and I know I have been doing it a lot lately.

                            But the date was actually 12-31-99.

                            12020 (2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be
                            manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or
                            exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity
                            magazine.
                            Last edited by lorax3; 11-29-2009, 1:48 PM.
                            You think you know, but you have no idea.

                            The information posted here is not legal advice. If you seek legal advice hire an attorney who is familiar with all the facts of your case.

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                            • #15
                              bruceflinch
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 40127

                              I bought my last hi-cap mags on 12-28-99. Still have the mags, sold the gun awhile back.
                              Actually I only started collecting Milsurps 3 years ago. I think I might own about 24...They're cheaper than guns that will most likely never get the opportunity to kill somebody...

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