LEO's buying "unsafe" handguns?

[Purple K]

I've searched and can not find the PC that enables law enforcement to buy pistols that are not on the safe hanguns list. Anyone have the PC number. Would a Fire Investigator Qualify?

[ZirconJohn]

Penal Code (PC) section 12078(a)(1)

The waiting periods described in Sections 12071 and 12072 shall not apply to deliveries, transfers, or sales of firearms made to persons properly identified as full-time paid peace officers as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, provided that the peace officers are authorized by their employer to carry firearms while in the performance of their duties. Proper identification is defined as verifiable written certification from the head of the agency by which the purchaser or transferee is employed, identifying the purchaser or transferee as a peace officer who is authorized to carry firearms while in the performance of his or her duties, and authorizing the purchase or transfer. The certification shall be delivered to the dealer at the time of purchase or transfer and the purchaser or transferee shall identify himself or herself as the person authorized in the certification. The dealer shall keep the certification with the record of sale. On the date that the delivery, sale or transfer is made, the dealer delivering the firearm shall transmit to the Department of Justice an electronic or telephonic report of the transaction as is indicated in subdivision (b) or (c) of Section 12077.

[cdtx2001]

Think of the children!!!

[WeekendWarrior]

WWRTW

[Buck'emDown78]

Darn, too bad I don't know the PC. But don't think you need it if you are LEO. Friends and relatives of mine in LE who purchase off the roster handguns just go into their police gun club or local FFL that deal in heavy LE volume and pretty much point out the gun they want with huge LEO discounts. All you need I believe if you badge no., agency ID, and exemption code. Your local FFL that deals with lots of LE should have tons of experience on that matter.

I believe if you are an fire investigator working in arson and bomb units that have arresting powers and investigation duties, you should qualify for it. I see the ones that do are armed and even have blue LE emergency lights on their fire vehicles. But just a normal investigator in the fire dept. will not qualify.

[ke6guj]

To further expand the question.

Can a LEO just walk in a buy/order an "off list" gun or does it require some type of department OK?

zirconjohn posted the PC and here is further info from CADOJ on the matter.

Policy Change Regarding State Exemptions for Authorized Peace Officers

Effective immediately, peace officers who have legislative authority to carry and use firearms may, without a letter signed by the head of their agency or the agency head's designee, purchase non-rostered handguns and/or large capacity magazines. The peace officer must present a valid peace officer identification card and the dealer must retain a copy of the identification card on file. (PC 12132 & 12133). A letter is still required from the head of the agency to exempt the peace officer from the ten day waiting period. (PC 12078).

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/exemptpo.php

[ZirconJohn]

That's what I get for posting while on the phone... 'wrong'

Here is the correct info PC 12125. (a) (well, it's info, I am not too sure about the correct part, in fact... I am certain it is rediculous...!)

Anyway, here it is; PC 12125. (a)

See PC 12132 on same page above...

See also PC 12078

In a nutshell; You must be sworn Law Enforcement - Active Duty to be exempt from the Roster of Guns Certified For Sale. Additionally, DO NOT need letter from Department for purchase of 'unsafe' handgun. A letter from Department Supervisor necessary ONLY for 10-day waiting period exempt.
So, if LEO would like to purchase an off-roster handgun for personal use, collection, or other... he/she may do so without a Department letter... they just need to wait the 10 day just like the rest of us.

[Mike's Custom]

But these weapons are UNSAFE?!?!?!?! The two-tone finish could reflect sunlight in the shooters eyes, but the all black model is approved for CA use, sparing us from the potential threat of glare! Wooohooo, thank you government for steering me clear of this safety hazard.

Nope, the are not "unsafe" firearms. What they are is UNTESTED to NOT BE UNSAFE firearms. Just because they have not been tested for approval for sale in CA does not mean they are automaticlly unsafe. In fact, CADOJ had to change the name of the roster not long after it was started and now it has been alterd further and no longer includes the words "Tested to be NOT unsafe" . The test was never to find usafe firearms but to find out which ones were NOT unsafe so just because they have not been tested does not mean they are unsafe.

And the DOJ also add this, "All handguns listed on the roster are approved with or without night sights" which was not the case in teh past. I am not sure when this was added but at one time if it had NS it had to be tested seperately.

[ZirconJohn]

I've searched and can not find the PC that enables law enforcement to buy pistols that are not on the safe hanguns list. Anyone have the PC number. Would a Fire Investigator Qualify?

Yes, only if Fire Investigator is 'Full Duty'. Refer to their Department ID Card... 'ONLY' full duty status Investigators are included in Law Enforcement Exemption of Handguns Certified for Sale Roster.

Watch the wording... there are 'Limited Duty' and 'Full Duty' as in The Department of Corrections have Law Enforcement Officers, or Sheriff Deputies. However, Department of Corrections Officer can be limited duty as in they work only within the confines of the Jail House, yet Dept of Corrections also have full duty Officers that transport prisoners to and from Court... they are full duty etc.
Therefore, a Dept of Corrections Officer may have an LEO Dept ID Card, but is limited duty and NOT Roster Exempt!

[jksupplyco]

However, Department of Corrections Officer can be limited duty as in they work only within the confines of the Jail House, yet Dept of Corrections also have full duty Officers that transport prisoners to and from Court... they are full duty etc.
Therefore, a Dept of Corrections Officer may have an LEO Dept ID Card, but is limited duty and NOT Roster Exempt!

That only applies to County or City agencies. California Department of Corrections & Rehbilitation Correctional Officers are full time sworn Peace Officers pursuant to PC 830.5.

[Bryan16]

However, Department of Corrections Officer can be limited duty as in they work only within the confines of the Jail House, yet Dept of Corrections also have full duty Officers that transport prisoners to and from Court... they are full duty etc. Therefore, a Dept of Corrections Officer may have an LEO Dept ID Card, but is limited duty and NOT Roster Exempt!

Jail house? You must be referring to county correctional facilities because the CDCR only operates within a prison setting. There is no such thing as a "limited duty" officer in that department. They all have the same peace officer authority whether inside the walls or out on a transport.

If you are referring to county settings, then yes you might be correct. Some county jails use non-sworn custody staff while others have sworn deputies.

[Purple K]

Thank You all for your input. I'll be starting the Fire Investigator classes in January and although it's not the reason for me taking the classes, I thought it might be a nice benefit to get a particular prohibited pistol.

[ZirconJohn]

That only applies to County or City agencies. California Department of Corrections & Rehbilitation Correctional Officers are full time sworn Peace Officers pursuant to PC 830.5.

Jail house? You must be referring to county correctional facilities because the CDCR only operates within a prison setting. There is no such thing as a "limited duty" officer in that department. They all have the same peace officer authority whether inside the walls or out on a transport.

If you are referring to county settings, then yes you might be correct. Some county jails use non-sworn custody staff while others have sworn deputies.

Thank you gentlemen... appreciate the correction, haha... no pun intended