california open carry

[ke6guj]

In California the risks are not worth the gains at this point. To carry an unloaded gun gathering attention from EVERYONE (including Leo's) aint worth it to me. God forbid I stray and violate one of the BS restrictions and is all over for any guns in my life.

I would not disagree with that. I was commenting on this part of your previous post "If you need a gun, an unloaded one is worse than none at all."

[tombinghamthegreat]

To carry an unloaded gun gathering attention from EVERYONE (including Leo's) aint worth it to me.

One could always conceal a long gun, have it unloaded with the mags/ammo right next to the gun for defense in a car or on foot. One could either put in a trunk for school zones but if schools are a non issue it could be put somewhere where it is useful.

Or put a handgun right next to you in the car in a small locked container that could be easily opened(like a backpack or tool box with lock) which would allow one to not be in violation of PC12025 or the school zones.

just some ideas for those who can't or are unable to UOC at this time

[joepamjohn]

One could always conceal a long gun, have it unloaded with the mags/ammo right next to the gun for defense in a car or on foot. One could either put in a trunk for school zones but if schools are a non issue it could be put somewhere where it is useful.

Or put a handgun right next to you in the car in a small locked container that could be easily opened(like a backpack or tool box with lock) which would allow one to not be in violation of PC12025 or the school zones.

just some ideas for those who can't or are unable to UOC at this time

Right..But the topic of discussion here is OC or UOC.

[diginit]

So what does UOC get you other than potential trouble and loss of rights? Some things are just not necessary in my book. If you need a gun, an unloaded one is worse than none at all.

You could always hit your assailant with it. I can load in 3 seconds. If I was at a mall and some idiot opened fire. They wouldn't get a chance to kill 7 people.
Cops are very seldom around when they are needed. Unfortunately, they arrive just in time to clean up the mess.

[joepamjohn]

You could always hit your assailant with it. I can load in 3 seconds. If I was at a mall and some idiot opened fire. They wouldn't get a chance to kill 7 people.
Cops are very seldom around when they are needed. Unfortunately, they arrive just in time to clean up the mess.

I can see your point. I was more refering to a direct one on one attack where you may be better of trying to defend yourself in other ways other than fumbling with trying to load a gun. It may be all over for you in those first few seconds.

[pullnshoot25]

You could always hit your assailant with it. I can load in 3 seconds. If I was at a mall and some idiot opened fire. They wouldn't get a chance to kill 7 people.
Cops are very seldom around when they are needed. Unfortunately, they arrive just in time to clean up the mess.

They are also NOT REQUIRED to step in!

[diginit]

I can see your point. I was more refering to a direct one on one attack where you may be better of trying to defend yourself in other ways other than fumbling with trying to load a gun. It may be all over for you in those first few seconds.

Most people UOC as a deterrent to crime. If a criminal sees a person in the liquior store has a gun, They may think twice before beating and robbing the girl behind the counter. Don't you think? I LOC in certain areas to protect myself and whomever I am with. Police are 50 or more miles away. Even at 60 MPH, It would take 45 min to get there. Criminals know this.

My best friend is a trucker. He noticed a bullet hole in the rear window of the cab at a fuel stop last month. He now carries loaded. He didn't even realize he was being shot at. Some lowlife didn't like big rigs or thought if would be funny. Some people just plain SUCK Donkeys!

[Decoligny]

I can see your point. I was more refering to a direct one on one attack where you may be better of trying to defend yourself in other ways other than fumbling with trying to load a gun. It may be all over for you in those first few seconds.

That makes the assumption that the gun is your only means of self defense. Everyone who carries a gun should also carry other self defense items should the situation make it impossible to get your gun loaded.

[Lead Lobber]

Unloaded Open Carry (UOC) has been for a while, but it is advised by CGN and a lot of other people not to do it for a while, until something changes.

I'll second that. While carrying loaded weapons is our right, before getting past the unloaded obstacle, expect active resistance from ignorant law enforcement agencies, much like black (Negro) citizens experienced after Lincoln "freed" them after the Civil War, which continues to this day.

Oh yes, these bigots live on today. They used to wear sheets with pride, but most of these fools realize what a great target they are at night, the only time they usually emerged, like cock roaches in your kitchen.

LEOs were, and may still be key components, in organizations like the KKK. It does not look good for innocent citizens exercising their basic rights anywhere in this county.

Imagine your forefathers worrying about colored folks rights. Now, it seems, they too are colored, worrying 150 years later .... about basic human rights. May we all are the same color, as government sees us.

[Darklyte27]

wait open carry is legal in CA? since when? Or is this a rural area?

yes and we landed on the moon too!

UNLOADED OPEN CARRY is legal.

[joepamjohn]

yes and we landed on the moon too!

You really think so? That is a topic for another debate!

[sytfu_RR]

I just hope someone doesn't go out and OC because they saw it on the news and then gets them self in trouble.

[joepamjohn]

I just hope someone doesn't go out and OC because they saw it on the news and then gets them self in trouble.

Well if so, they can see what rights they really do have after they hire an attorney and explain their story to the judge. It ain't worth it too me.

It's kind of hard to protect yourself when you are face down and bent over the hood of a police car every time you go somewhere with "your big iron on your hip". Yes you do have rights, in that case it's the right to remain silent.