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  • locosway
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    • Jun 2009
    • 11346

    Becoming more proficient

    Can someone tell me if this is the result of pushing fast and hard every time, or does one take their time and work up to full speed?

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    jmf_tracy
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    • Jun 2007
    • 1242

    first you have to learn the correct way and then you speed it up. slow is smooth and smooth is fast.
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    • #3
      ar15barrels
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      • Jan 2006
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      Originally posted by jmf_tracy
      slow is smooth and smooth is fast.
      +1000 to this.
      That's the first thing newbies at matches do wrong it TRY to go fast.
      It's easy to miss really fast.
      It's harder to slow down and go faster.
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      • #4
        locosway
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        • Jun 2009
        • 11346

        Thanks for the input... The best scores I've gotten in matches is when I went slow. The night shoot I did forced me to go slow because of the low light. I did fairly well.
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        • #5
          Mr. Beretta
          Calguns Addict
          • Dec 2005
          • 6614

          In the last situation, which "target" had the gun?

          Seriously, the guy is good, real good. Obviously he has many, many hours of range time and countless rounds down range.

          There's no substitute for hard work, discipline, commitment or sacrifice.

          To reach that level of skill takes all of the above!

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          • #6
            MossbergMan
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 1255

            There is no substitute for trigger control. You cannot judge your trigger control without aiming. So, get on target with minimal movement, find your sights and cause the gun to fire without disturbing them. Basic. At 7yards if you can manage a 1 1/2" to 2" groups slow fire, it's time to start working on your speed. Speed up until your group exceeds your open hand span, center mass.
            Speed cannot be taught. You have it or you don't. Baseball coaches know this. You can teach control in a pitcher, you cannot teach speed. You will be as fast as you are.
            If you can react quickly, draw smoothly, go directly to the target, eliminate all unnesscessary movement you will get as fast as you can be. Some of us have short twitch nerves (fastest) others of us are doomed with long twitch nerves and we can work and work, but we will get only get as fast as we can get.
            You may never attain a .6 draw, doesn't mean you shouldn't try every single time to get there. As posted before, smooth is fast.

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            • #7
              will227457
              Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 488

              accuracy first, then speed....speed comes as you become more proficient,
              Saving you from yourself one post at a time

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              • #8
                mmartin
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 951

                the hubby competes and trains people on IPSC/IDPA... he says "you can't miss fast enough to make up time."
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                • #9
                  Colt
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 1596

                  From the video, it looks to me like the first thing I'd need to do is become a left handed shooter...

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                  • #10
                    Fjold
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                    • Oct 2005
                    • 22972

                    Absolutely, get accurate first and then speed up while maintaining the accuracy.

                    Unless you're a dork like me. I have "timer virus" really bad. It doesn't matter how I plan it when the buzzer goes off I try to shoot too fast.
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                    • #11
                      randy
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                      • Nov 2006
                      • 4642

                      Originally posted by mmartin
                      the hubby competes and trains people on IPSC/IDPA... he says "you can't miss fast enough to make up time."
                      megan

                      This isn't exactly true, in an IPSC match you can miss fast enough to make up time.

                      It really holds true in USPSA 3 gun or any 3 gun.
                      I move slow but I make up for it by shooting poorly.

                      When I hit the lotto I'm only shooting factory.

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                      • #12
                        SCMA-1
                        Veteran Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 4288

                        Originally posted by locosway
                        Can someone tell me if this is the result of pushing fast and hard every time, or does one take their time and work up to full speed?

                        Actually, I've known many Masters and GM's that started shooting matches and missing everything although they were fast. Some of the best known GM's did it this way, so it really is up to the individual. Whatever works for you.
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                        • #13
                          B Strong
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                          • Feb 2009
                          • 6367

                          Originally posted by jmf_tracy
                          first you have to learn the correct way and then you speed it up. slow is smooth and smooth is fast.
                          +100.

                          Smooth is better than "hard" as a push for speed.

                          I practice every week (health pemitting these days) and I do my best "fast" shooting when relaxed as opposed to keyed up.

                          It is the result of continual practice though - it's like playing a musical instrument -taking time off results in regression of skills.
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                          • #14
                            Fjold
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                            • Oct 2005
                            • 22972

                            Randy,

                            From your signature "I move slow but I make up for it by shooting poorly."

                            I'll have to drive over the hill one day and shoot with you guys, I'd fit right in.
                            Frank

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                            • #15
                              swerv512
                              Veteran Member
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 3076

                              the part at 40 seconds into the video i likey....

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