Saw this on craigslist...

[Soldier415]

Craigslist. The gathering place for enlightened intellectuals and MENSA members...

[Barabas]

Craigslist. The gathering place for enlightened intellectuals and MENSA members...

Haha! I know two MENSA members who trawl the personals on Craigslist religiously, hoping to find their soulmates. One thought he found his soulmate, but discovered it was just herpes that he gets to live with forever.

[Mike's Custom]

The law doesn't say "transfer of ownership" it says:

....manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.

It's also not illegal to borrow or receive one as a gift. The law is written to penalize the person who imports or delivers magazines, not the person who receives them.

Wrong! It is illegal to TRANSFER, including giving as a GIFT.

CA Dept. DOJ
Bureau of Firearms
Notice
Dec. 31, 2000

(First line of this document)
Effective January 1. 2000, the manufacture, importation, sale or TRANSFER of any large capacity firearms magazines. except to specifically designated parties and under certain conditions (including law enforcement use, loans for service/repair, et al.) is prohibited by law.

CA DOJ BoF Penal Code Statues Pertaining to Large-Capacity Magazines Effective Jan, 31,2002

12020 (a) Any person in this state who does ANY of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:

(2)Commencing Jan 1,2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who GIVES, or LENDS, any large-capacity magazine.

QUOTE=Caiman;3313331]I would have bought them had the price been much lower. Nothing wrong/illegal with buying hi-caps in state. That way, I could own hi caps legally.[/QUOTE]

You are wrong also. Read above.

[ELEVENTH HOUR]

what is a boostberry?

http://boostberry.com/

[Diabolus]

what about bartering?

100 "roses"? any takers?

I see what you did there!!

[Fjold]

Wrong! It is illegal to TRANSFER, including giving as a GIFT.

CA Dept. DOJ
Bureau of Firearms
Notice
Dec. 31, 2000

(First line of this document)
Effective January 1. 2000, the manufacture, importation, sale or TRANSFER of any large capacity firearms magazines. except to specifically designated parties and under certain conditions (including law enforcement use, loans for service/repair, et al.) is prohibited by law.

CA DOJ BoF Peanal Code Statues Pertaining to Large-Capacity Magazines Effective Jan, 31,2002

12020 (a) Any person in this state who does ANY of hte following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:

(2)Commencing Jan 1,2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who GIVES, or LENDS, any large-capacity magazine.

QUOTE=Caiman;3313331]I would have bought them had the price been much lower. Nothing wrong/illegal with buying hi-caps in state. That way, I could own hi caps legally.

You are wrong also. Read above.[/QUOTE]





Mike,

You're not reading what I posted. I said that it is not illegal to buy one or receive one as a gift.

The law as you quote it above makes it illegal to sell, give, lend, import, manufacture, etc. but the law doesn't punish anyone who buys or receives one as a gift, loan, etc. It only addresses the actions of the person who makes, imports, sells, offers for sale, gives or lends it.

[CSACANNONEER]

Wrong! It is illegal to TRANSFER, including giving as a GIFT.

CA Dept. DOJ
Bureau of Firearms
Notice
Dec. 31, 2000

(First line of this document)
Effective January 1. 2000, the manufacture, importation, sale or TRANSFER of any large capacity firearms magazines. except to specifically designated parties and under certain conditions (including law enforcement use, loans for service/repair, et al.) is prohibited by law.

CA DOJ BoF Peanal Code Statues Pertaining to Large-Capacity Magazines Effective Jan, 31,2002

12020 (a) Any person in this state who does ANY of hte following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:

(2)Commencing Jan 1,2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who GIVES, or LENDS, any large-capacity magazine.

QUOTE=Caiman;3313331]I would have bought them had the price been much lower. Nothing wrong/illegal with buying hi-caps in state. That way, I could own hi caps legally.

You are wrong also. Read above.

Please show me where in the law it states that it is illegal to "transfer" +10 round mags. You need to stop, reread the law carefully and not insert your own idea of what the law was intended to say. Instead, read what it does say. Nowhere does it state that it is illegal to buy or receive +10 round mags in Ca.

[Dangerpin]

Aren't there two parties in any transfer? I'm not a legal expert, just thinking that word alone might be a stumbling block.

[sv_1]

I purchased a pile of magazines from a craigslist guy who was offering them for sale whole. I asked him to take them apart and toss the followers in the trash before I payed or picked them up, that way there would be no questions that they were for parts only.

He seemed really grateful that I called to explain that he was breaking the law the way he advertised them. He had no idea.

[jarhead995]

Wrong! It is illegal to TRANSFER, including giving as a GIFT.

CA Dept. DOJ
Bureau of Firearms
Notice
Dec. 31, 2000

(First line of this document)
Effective January 1. 2000, the manufacture, importation, sale or TRANSFER of any large capacity firearms magazines. except to specifically designated parties and under certain conditions (including law enforcement use, loans for service/repair, et al.) is prohibited by law.

CA DOJ BoF Peanal Code Statues Pertaining to Large-Capacity Magazines Effective Jan, 31,2002

12020 (a) Any person in this state who does ANY of hte following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:

(2)Commencing Jan 1,2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who GIVES, or LENDS, any large-capacity magazine.

QUOTE=Caiman;3313331]I would have bought them had the price been much lower. Nothing wrong/illegal with buying hi-caps in state. That way, I could own hi caps legally.

You are wrong also. Read above.[/QUOTE]


I CALL BULLS**T the is spelled wrong..

[kellito]

CA DOJ BoF PENAL Code STATUTES Pertaining to Large-Capacity Magazines Effective Jan, 31,2002

as long as we are fixing spelling....

[snobord99]

Mike,

You're not reading what I posted. I said that it is not illegal to buy one or receive one as a gift.

The law as you quote it above makes it illegal to sell, give, lend, import, manufacture, etc. but the law doesn't punish anyone who buys or receives one as a gift, loan, etc. It only addresses the actions of the person who makes, imports, sells, offers for sale, gives or lends it.

In all fairness, he didn't fully disagree with you. He says "Wrong! It is illegal to TRANSFER, including giving as a GIFT." So he basically does say it's illegal to be the transferor, but I don't see where he says it's illegal to be the transferee. Of course you could argue that that can be implied by his saying "Wrong!"

[Dr Rockso]

Just to inject some dissent, courtesy of bwiese in other similar threads:

WRONG. DON'T DO THIS.

Someone offering or exposing for sale the hicap (in other than one of the few exempt manners) would make the transaction illegal.

There are no such things as "legal half-transactions".

And they keep repeating it no matter how much we refute it. Somehow they believe "half transactions" can be illegal with the other half legal.

While some of the above posters insist that buying, selling, lending but not import after 1/1/2000 is not illegal, law does not allow "half-crimes" in CA where part of transaction is legal but the other half isn't. Much akin to knowingly receiving money from a bank robbery even though raw money itself is legal to possess Don't go there.

The half-legal theory strikes me as being pretty flimsy.

[pdq_wizzard]

It seems to me the biggest thing with standard mags is we can't get them anymore (just what you had before 2k) and it just makes people want to have them more.

I have some but don't use them because ammo it too $$$ and I don't have as much time to reload right now.

[snobord99]

The half-legal theory strikes me as being pretty flimsy.

I disagree. I think he's right. I've never seen anything like a "half-legal transaction." A transaction is either legal or it is not. Where he's DEAD wrong is his instance that "transaction" is somehow the operative word.