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  • #16
    EOD Guy
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 1229

    Originally posted by Sky_DiveR
    WTF! I just came from Fed-Ex yesterday and the guy behind the counter... um... lets call him... DICK... told me I cannot ship ammunition cuz it's classified as an explosive and I must be certified to ship explosives. Said the same thing about Haz-Mat also. I must be certified. He also mentioned that a company in Corona, CA can package up my Haz-Mat and Explosives and ship it for me for a cost. "Huh?"

    Who has actually shipped primers/powder (Haz-Mat) and Ammo (Explosives) thru Fed-Ex or UPS? And what were the procedures?
    He was correct in that small arms ammunition is classed by DOT as a Division 1.4S Explosive material. However, it can be reclassed as an ORM-D material if properly packaged and the gross weight of the package is less than 30 kilograms (66 pounds). ORM-D materials are hazardous materials but are not normally charged HAZMAT fees in ground transportation.

    If you were trying to ship by air, the ORM-D exception does not exist under the IATA/ICAO Dangerous Goods regulations and the ammunition would be classed as an explosive. You would have to be certified under those regulations within the last two years in order to sign a dangerous goods declaration.

    Here is an excerpt I put together from the DOT regulations concerning shipment of small arms ammunition.

    Code of Federal Regulations, Title 49, Part 173

    173.63 Packaging exceptions

    (b) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices. (1) Cartridges, small arms and cartridges power devices (which are used to project fastening devices) which have been classed as a Division 1.4S explosive may be reclassed, offered for transportation, and transported as ORM-D material when packaged in accordance with paragraph (b)(2) of this section; such transportation is excepted from the requirements of subparts E (Labeling) and F (Placarding) of part 172 of this subchapter. Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices that may be shipped as ORM-D material is limited to:

    (i) Ammunition for rifle, pistol, or shotgun;
    (ii) Ammunition with inert projectiles or blank ammunition;
    (iii) Ammunition having no tear gas, incendiary, or detonating explosive projectiles;
    (iv) Ammunition not exceeding 12.7 mm (50 caliber or 0.5 inch) for rifle or pistol, cartridges or 8 gauge for shotshells; and
    (v) Cartridges power devices which are used to project fastening devices.

    (2) Packaging for cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices as ORM-D material must be as follows:
    (i) Ammunition must be packed in inside boxes, or in partitions which fit snugly in the outside packaging, or in metal clips;
    (ii) Primers must be protected from accidental initiation;
    (iii) Inside boxes, partitions or metal clips must be packed in securely-closed strong outside packagings;
    (iv) Maximum gross weight is limited to 30 Kg (66 pounds) per package; and
    (v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices and 22 caliber rim-fire cartridges may be packaged loose in strong outside packagings.

    Part 172 (Marking)

    172.316 Packagings containing material classed as ORM-D

    (a) Each non-bulk packaging containing a material classed as ORM-D must be marked on at least one side or end with the ORM-D designation immediately following or below the proper shipping name of the material (Cartridges, Small Arms). The ORM designation must be placed within a rectangle that is approximately 6.3 mm (0.25 inches) larger on each side than the designation.

    (b) The marking ORM-D is the certification by the person offering the packaging for transportation that the material is properly described, classed, packaged, marked and labeled (when appropriate) and in proper condition for transportation according to the applicable regulations of this subchapter.
    Definitions:

    IATA = International Air Transport Association
    ICAO = International Civil Aviation Organization
    ORM-D = Other Regulated Material-D (The D doesn't means anything.)
    Last edited by EOD Guy; 10-28-2009, 10:02 AM. Reason: correct terminology (exception vs exemption)

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    • #17
      freakshow10mm
      Veteran Member
      • Jun 2008
      • 3061

      Originally posted by bombadillo
      They will take haz-mat stuff as long as you disclaim it and I don't believe you need to be licensed for shipping it as long as its all labeled properly.
      You must have a Hazardous Material Shipper Contract on file with FedEx or UPS in order to ship HM stuff. It's federal regulations.

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      • #18
        m1aowner
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2006
        • 2300

        And the USPS will go on losing millions and millions.

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        • #19
          GrayWolf09
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2008
          • 1619

          Midway shipped me some bullets using USPS. I had just moved and I had to go to the PO to get them. When I got there the postal lady had a bullet ominously taped to the outside of the package, it was covered in postal tape and it made a not very reassuring rattling sound when you shook it.

          "What's that?" she asked me.

          "It's a bullet." I said in all innocence.

          "That's not the way to start a relationship with me in a new town." she said.

          I explained that it was copper and lead -- no explosives, no bang.

          She eyed me suspiciously and let me have the package. I was 9 bullets short.

          So much for the USPS.
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          • #20
            SimpleCountryActuary
            Not a miracle worker
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Dec 2008
            • 2953

            Good thing it wasn't one of those heat seeking bullets.
            "The most hated initials in America today ... TSA."

            Said by yours truly to an audience of nodding IRS employees.

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            • #21
              Intimid8tor
              Calguns Addict
              • Apr 2007
              • 6607

              So, is there a charge for the ORM-D through UPS?
              Starve the beast, move to a free state.

              Bwiese: "You are making the assumption the law is reasonable/has rationale."

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              • #22
                Mssr. Eleganté
                Blue Blaze Irregular
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2005
                • 10401

                Originally posted by Intimid8tor
                So, is there a charge for the ORM-D through UPS?
                There is no extra charge for ORM-D shipped with UPS.
                __________________

                "Knowledge is power... For REAL!" - Jack Austin

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                • #23
                  bombadillo
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 14810

                  Correct^

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                  • #24
                    Intimid8tor
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 6607

                    Thanks.
                    Starve the beast, move to a free state.

                    Bwiese: "You are making the assumption the law is reasonable/has rationale."

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                    • #25
                      paul0660
                      In Memoriam
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 15669

                      Midway shipped me some bullets using USPS.
                      You mean bullets, not cartridges, right? Nothing wrong with using USPS to ship bullets, they are no more dangerous than rocks, and have no restrictions. I think the thing to learn from this thread is that you, the shipper, might know more about the law than the person behind the counter.
                      *REMOVE THIS PART BEFORE POSTING*

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                      • #26
                        Guns R Tools
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 1782

                        You can ship lead, bullets, brass with USPS. There is no primer nor powder. It is totally inert.

                        I know you can ship lead bricks with flat rate box with tons of tapes to ensure box's integrity.
                        'Cuz big holes are easier to see.

                        You can correct my spelling and grammar error anytime.
                        I welcome it. How else would I learn.

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                        • #27
                          B.D.Dubloon
                          Veteran Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 4873

                          Originally posted by Guns R Tools
                          Y
                          I know you can ship lead bricks with flat rate box with tons of tapes to ensure box's integrity.
                          The post office must love you

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