Store notice against CCW's--legality?

[reidnez]

Hey guys, I was passing by a local jewelry store today and noticed a sign they had posted on the window, basically saying that firearms were prohibited on the premises. It's much too long for me to accurately paraphrase so I won't attempt to. I will go back soon and write it down, and see if I can manage to snap a picture without looking as though I'm casing the joint...

What struck me was that it seemed to be written intentionally to sound official and "legalese", as though to give the impression that there was a law in place preventing one from carrying on the premises, or that the warning itself somehow carried the force of the law. However, nowhere was a law actually cited. I know that Texas law has a provision which allows businesses to declare legally-enforceable "gun free zones," by way of posting very specific signage, but I'm not aware of any such law in this state. There was no mention of "authorized persons," i.e. law enforcement or CCW holders.

This is more of an academic inquiry as I don't have a CCW (though I'd certainly like one) and thus I don't carry. Obviously it is the business owner's right to deem you to be trespassing and ask you to leave if they discover you to be carrying, as has always been the case...but other than that, does this warning actually carry any weight? It seems to me that they are being more than a little disingenuous, in implying that someone who is legally carrying (by way of CCW), can not legally carry in their store (which I don't believe to be true). It isn't simply a "no weapons" sign; it really does read like the Penal Code.

Has anyone else encountered this? What are your thoughts?

[Adrien]

I don't know the actual legalities of it--but I think it's fair to assume that the owner of the shop as the right to decide rather or not they want firearms on the premises. Especially if said property is private property.

Adrien

[locosway]

As a private property owner they can prohibit weapons from their property. Now, there's no way they can arrest you or sue you for this. However, they can ask you to leave, and if you don't, you can be arrested for trespassing.

If you don't like their store policy, don't shop there. Other than that, there's nothing you can do unless there's a state law that says businesses can not limit firearms which are legally carried. However, I do not see that happening in CA, ever...

[Turo]

The sign isn't legally enforceable by law. If you have your CCW, you can carry in there all you want, but the owner can still kick you out for any reason. (ie, if your concealed carry gun is seen by the owner.)

He or she can legally ask you to leave, and if you don't, you are trespassing. But that sign doesn't carry the weight of law.

[Barney Gumble]

It's meaningless for anyone who's got a CCW because the store won't know anyway.

[locosway]

It's meaningless for anyone who's got a CCW because the store won't know anyway.

Metal detectors

[Lyte-]

they have sign like that at the "Joe's crab shack" by my home in Houston.

[Fjold]

they have sign like that at the "Joe's crab shack" by my home in Houston.

Texas has a law that allows them to post a sign on their businesses that prohibits entry by CCW holders. A violation of that is punishable under Texas law. There is no law like that in California so like the posters above said, all they can do is ask you to leave.

[U2BassAce]

Texas has a law that allows them to post a sign on their businesses that prohibits entry by CCW holders. A violation of that is punishable under Texas law. There is no law like that in California so like the posters above said, all they can do is ask you to leave.

Yep 30.06 sign. Funny, California in the counties where most people live, it is very hard to get a CCW. BUT if you can get one the restrictions are the most reasonable in the country. Who would have thought?

BTW the 30.06 signs in Texas have VERY specific requirements as far as font, size and color. Most establishments don't get it right. You will see it posted most at a true bar type establishment.

But as mentioned above. No CCW signs have no teeth in CA. BUT get caught carrying (if you are doing your job you should not be made) in let's say Disney, Anaheim Stadium, etc etc and the issuing agency you have your CCW with is a little an@l there is nothing to stop them from yanking your CCW.

[Army]

Easy, UOC in there instead

[Barney Gumble]

Metal detectors

Yeah that crossed my mind...wouldn't expect it other than in a super high-end store, but OTOH, if a store has been hit a few times I could see them doing that.