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  • rod
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2006
    • 2245

    NY at it again



    Undercover Stings Expose 'Gun Show Loophole'
    Wednesday, October 07, 2009


    Print ShareThisNEW YORK — New York City officials secretly videotaped dozens of firearm purchases they say were illegal at gun shows in states that have not closed the "gun show loophole."

    The sting, described in a city report released Wednesday, was conducted at seven gun shows in Tennessee, Ohio and Nevada. Those states are among the many that permit private unlicensed dealers, known as "occasional sellers," to sell weapons at gun shows without conducting background checks.

    Gun-control advocates say the loophole makes it easier for criminals to acquire guns and prevents law enforcement from being able to trace those weapons if they are used in crimes.

    Nine states, including New York, have passed laws to close the loophole, requiring background checks on at least all handgun purchases at gun shows. Mayor Michael Bloomberg has long campaigned for Congress to close the loophole, and for states to do it on their own if the federal government does not.

    Even in states that haven't closed the loophole, federal law bars "occasional sellers" from selling guns to people they have reason to believe would fail a background check.

    This is where the Bloomberg operation says 19 out of 30 sellers broke the law during the investigation, in which undercover buyers wore tiny cameras concealed in baseball hats and purses and audio recorders hidden in wristwatches.

    In each purchase, the investigator showed interest in buying a gun, agreed on a price and then indicated that he probably could not pass a background check.

    Most sellers allowed the purchases anyway, responding in some cases by saying, "I couldn't pass one either," or "I don't care," according to the city's report.

    Two assault rifles and 20 semiautomatic handguns were bought this way, the report said.

    The 11 who refused sales showed they knew the law.

    "Once you say that, I'm kind of obligated not to," said one seller, according to the report. "I think that's what the rules are."

    "Fact is, you done told me too much," said another who refused. "I wouldn't sell one to you at all."

    The city has no legal authority over the dealers and is using its findings to make a point. A copy of the report is being sent to every member of Congress and the findings will be shared the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

    "The gun show loophole is a deadly serious problem, and this undercover operation exposes just how pervasive and serious it is," the mayor said in a statement.

    The undercover operation took place from about May to August and its $1.5 million cost was paid by city taxpayers. The city hired a team of 40 private investigators from an outside firm to make the purchases.

    The sting comes three years after Bloomberg's administration conducted a similar operation focusing on illegal straw purchases at gun shops in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia that authorities believe were responsible for selling guns used in crimes in New York City. (A straw purchase is when one person fills out the paperwork and buys the gun for somebody else.)

    Bloomberg's administration brought a civil case against 27 gun dealers targeted in its 2006 investigation.

    As a result of the suit, 20 dealers are being monitored by a court-appointed special master. One is out of business, two more are expected to be put under monitoring agreements and three were dropped from the suit. A final dealer settled with the city but the terms did not include a monitor.

    Investigators in this year's sting also attempted straw purchases at gun shows, and were successful 16 out of 17 times.

    The city said it was not planning civil action this time around.





    I've been to countless gunshows here in VA, NV, CA,and several other states and have never seen anything like this article describes. Maybe it happens from time to time, but not at the level described in this article. I call BS.
    Last edited by rod; 10-08-2009, 5:52 AM.
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    bridgeport
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2006
    • 782

    If this is true, Then THEY are the ones who have broken the law. These buys did not find trouble, but rather made it.

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    • #3
      yellowfin
      Calguns Addict
      • Nov 2007
      • 8371

      I really, REALLY wish that concrete s***hole wasn't attached to the state I live in now. The REAL New York, i.e. the rest of it, is a wonderful place. We do not deserve to be in the same boat with that 3rd world style dictatorship run by a billionaire megalomaniac.
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      In Pennsylvania Your permit to carry concealed is called a License to carry fire arms. Other states call it a CCW. In New Jersey it's called a crime.
      Discretionary Issue is the new Separate but Equal.

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      • #4
        Hayashi Killian
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2009
        • 617

        It's Fox news. Who the hell takes them seriously?
        "Ok, sign language 101. This means stay low, this means stack up, and this means I'm gonna punch your lights out if you don't shut up!"

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        • #5
          Nodda Duma
          • Nov 2007
          • 3455

          Originally posted by bridgeport
          If this is true, Then THEY are the ones who have broken the law. These buys did not find trouble, but rather made it.
          So were his agents teetering on the edge of entrapment?

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          • #6
            bridgeport
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2006
            • 782

            Bloomberg is not a Federal agent, nor does he run a federal agency like say the ATF, but, He funnels money to others... his "investigators" to buy, or attempt to buy firearms, and in another state from his own. If that is not the definition of a "straw" purchase,
            i.e. I give you money to buy a gun not for you or your own purpose. I thought that was why Bloomy got in trouble for the last BS game he played. Perhaps someone here can set the record straight? My guess is that this is likely illegal in several ways.

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            • #7
              devildog999
              Calguns Addict
              • Aug 2008
              • 5534

              The few make the large look bad
              Originally posted by TRAP55
              Or your ammo stash has replaced your wifes parking spot in the garage.
              When my neighbor asked what all those crates were, I told him if he sees smoke coming from my garage, and me running down the street......he better catch up!
              Originally posted by Steve O
              Just go to safeway to shop for food. The young good looking couple buying healthy food...they're a new couple. The fat ones wearing ****ty clothes not caring about how they look, getting frozen food...they're married!

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              • #8
                slik556
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 1192

                Originally posted by bridgeport
                i.e. I give you money to buy a gun not for you or your own purpose. I thought that was why Bloomy got in trouble for the last BS game he played. Perhaps someone here can set the record straight? My guess is that this is likely illegal in several ways.
                Ya the last time this a**hole did this it was deemed illegal and the ATF told him to knock his shi* off. This jack hole should be in jail for that stunt and this one, but because hes a billionaire and a political hack he gets away with it. They always do!
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                • #9
                  bridgeport
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 782

                  That is what I thought Slik.... Thanks for confirming it.

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