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  • JoeC
    Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 317

    idea for increasing 1911 ammo capacity

    One of the many touted problems with the 1911 has been ammo capacity. Standard magazine sizes give you 7+1 or 8+1 rounds. Other magazines can accept 10 or more rounds but they stick out the bottom and can be cumbersome.

    Comparatively guns like the Glock or HK, or SIG can accept up to 15 rounds in standard magazines, in part thanks to a smaller caliber the 9mm, and other extended magazines can go higher than 15 rounds.

    I realize that ammo capacity is also limited or increased due to caliber size so I just went with the most common caliber for each gun mentioned.

    Anyhoo, now for my idea.

    Instead of a single stack, go with a double stack like the glock. The magazine well in the 1911 is not wide enough for double stack. A method for widening it would be to redesign the magazine and pistol frame so that the grips become part of the magazine instead of the pistol frame. Hollowing out the grips and making them part of the magazine would increase the width almost double.

    It would be awkward to hold a 1911 without the grips when the magazine is removed, so a method of loading the magazine from the bottom while still in the gun could alleviate the problem.

    Or perhaps some form of grip could be developed that would stay on the pistol so as not to make reloading and holding the gun awkward.

    One big problem is that the magazine well would have to be pushed to the rear of the pistol slightly to align it with the grips. This would mean redesigning or repositioning pretty much all the internal mechanisms of the gun.

    I'd really like to see if this idea would work. Sadly I don't have the means to try it.

    Edit: Woops! I think I put this in the wrong forum. Can someone move it to the handgun forum?
  • #2
    Res
    Senior Member
    • May 2006
    • 1633

    They make widebody 1911's.
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    Sacramento

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    • #3
      randy
      In Memoriam
      • Nov 2006
      • 4642

      Para Ordanence
      SVI
      STI
      Caspian
      Kimber
      Wilson
      Come to mind of 1911 style pistols that are double stack 45's.
      I move slow but I make up for it by shooting poorly.

      When I hit the lotto I'm only shooting factory.

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      • #4
        RideIcon
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2007
        • 1504

        Para USA
        This Search
        Gun Facts PDF

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        • #5
          Mikeb
          Veteran Member
          • May 2008
          • 3189

          I've got a 12 round mag for a 1911 .45acp.
          And yes it is pre-ban.
          With the 10 round limit, the .45 is not a much of a disadvantage.
          take care
          Mike

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          • #6
            Dr Rockso
            Veteran Member
            • Jan 2008
            • 3701

            I'm not sure if there are any widebody 1911s on the CA roster, but they're out there.

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            • #7
              jumbopanda
              Calguns Addict
              • Aug 2006
              • 8382


              Mo' BBs.

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              • #8
                CalNRA
                Calguns Addict
                • Apr 2006
                • 8686

                Originally posted by Dr Rockso
                I'm not sure if there are any widebody 1911s on the CA roster, but they're out there.
                at least a few I know of:

                Kimber:
                Pro Carry Ten II / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 4" .45 ACP 10/10/2009
                Para:
                NHX1045N / Steel, Alloy Pistol 3.0" .45 ACP 6/6/2010
                NHX1045NL / Steel, Alloy Pistol 3.0" .45 ACP 6/6/2010
                WHX1045S / Stainless Steel Pistol 3" .45 ACP 11/30/2009
                WHX1045SL / Stainless Steel Pistol 3" .45 ACP 11/30/2009
                WHX1045SN / Stainless Steel Pistol 3" .45 ACP 11/30/2009
                PX1445SGRL / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 2/28/2010
                PX1445SGRN / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 2/28/2010
                PX1445SGRR / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 2/28/2010
                PX1445SL / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 10/28/2009
                PX1445SN / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 10/28/2009
                PX1445SR / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 10/28/2009
                Wilson:
                KZ-45 (Black) (WKZ-T-PA-CA) / Carbon Steel, Polymer Pistol 5" .45 ACP 2/26/2010
                Last edited by CalNRA; 09-22-2009, 5:10 PM.
                Originally posted by cvigue
                This is not rocket surgery.

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                • #9
                  JoeC
                  Member
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 317

                  I'll be honest, it didn't occur to me to search for double stack 1911's before making this.

                  Still, I think it would be cool to find a way to increase capacity while maintaining the standard slim profile.

                  Not like it matters though. Stupid 10 max law.

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                  • #10
                    timmyb21
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 1814

                    Double stack 1911's are an abomination. You should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting that a 1911 needs more mag than it already has. If you can't get it done with 8 rounds, get a Glock!

                    Just kidding, to each his own. Although I'll never buy a double stack 1911. I prefer the single stack ones.
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                    George Washington didn't use the 1st amendment to defeat the British...he shot them.

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                    • #11
                      Quiet
                      retired Goon
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 30241

                      Also, the double stack 1911s are not as reliable as the single-stack 1911s.

                      Reliability issues with the magazines were one of the reasons why the FBI HRT replaced their double-stack Les Baer 1911s with single-stack Springfield Armory 1911s.
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                      "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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                      • #12
                        JoeC
                        Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 317

                        I'm not really interested in a wide body double stack.

                        I'm also content with a standard 7 or 8 round single stack magazine.

                        The whole purpose of this thread was just me presenting an idea I was toying with to find a way to keep the slim single stack design but increase ammo capacity.

                        The only way I can think of is widening the magazine into the grip somehow.

                        As mentioned though reliability is a problem in current designs, chances are it'll follow into any modifications too.

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                        • #13
                          gimmejr
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 1613

                          Originally posted by JoeC
                          I'm not really interested in a wide body double stack. .......

                          ....The only way I can think of is widening the magazine into the grip somehow.
                          Im a genuine E-thug, because talking s**t in person is dangerous.

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                          • #14
                            jumbopanda
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 8382

                            Originally posted by JoeC
                            I'm not really interested in a wide body double stack.

                            I'm also content with a standard 7 or 8 round single stack magazine.

                            The whole purpose of this thread was just me presenting an idea I was toying with to find a way to keep the slim single stack design but increase ammo capacity.

                            The only way I can think of is widening the magazine into the grip somehow.

                            As mentioned though reliability is a problem in current designs, chances are it'll follow into any modifications too.


                            I haven't held one, but I believe it's not that much wider than a single stack 1911
                            Mo' BBs.

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                            • #15
                              zeb
                              Member
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 453

                              I just checked, my STI grip is .040" narrower than my 1911s with standard grips.

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