blank replicas

[garrett916]

i was surfing on the web the other day and i ran across these blank replica guns that shoot 9mm blanks and is exactly the same as a berreta. i was wondering what if you swopt out the barrel or maybe did a 22 conversion or something would they shoot real bullets. id be to scared to try. does anyone know anything about these?

[audihenry]

i was surfing on the web the other day and i ran across these blank replica guns that shoot 9mm blanks and is exactly the same as a berreta. i was wondering what if you swopt out the barrel or maybe did a 22 conversion or something would they shoot real bullets. id be to scared to try. does anyone know anything about these?

Isn't there a whole problem in Britain of something along the lines of these?

Along similar lines:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5220678.stm

"These former weapons, however, are all 'de-activated' and perfectly legal.

But just how easy is it to make it fire again?

"It's not necessarily a simple task but, a couple of spare parts and some specialist machinery," our gun expert Richard Howell told us. "And we can get this gun to fire again."

My point is if a deactivated gun can be made to fire again, I don't see how a little modification on a 9mm blank gun wouldn't do the same. Guns really aren't rocket science.

[garrett916]

thats what i was thinking. the only problem i see is that the blank guns might not be made as strong and will blow up. thats why i was thinking if you could convert it to 22. they sell full auto berettas if converted man that would be a fun cheap gun

[audihenry]

That would probably fall under manufacture and likely be illegal, IMO. I was just pointing out that it might be possible because blank guns have to cycle, too, and be exerted to some pressures.

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

Isn't there a whole problem in Britain of something along the lines of these?

Along similar lines:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5220678.stm

"These former weapons, however, are all 'de-activated' and perfectly legal.

But just how easy is it to make it fire again?

"It's not necessarily a simple task but, a couple of spare parts and some specialist machinery," our gun expert Richard Howell told us. "And we can get this gun to fire again."

My point is if a deactivated gun can be made to fire again, I don't see how a little modification on a 9mm blank gun wouldn't do the same. Guns really aren't rocket science.

That article is talking about "rewatting" real firearms that have been subjected to DEWAT, not replica weapons.

You'd be better off building a weapon from scratch than trying to modify a replica firearm. They are made from pot metal and plastic; not intended to stand up against real use.

[CSACANNONEER]

Can you say "ZIP GUN"? What you are proposing fits the California definition of "zip gun" to a tee! Also, even getting a blank firing gun into California is a crime unless it is painted orange or green.

[audihenry]

That article is talking about "rewatting" real firearms that have been subjected to DEWAT, not replica weapons.

You'd be better off building a weapon from scratch than trying to modify a replica firearm. They are made from pot metal and plastic; not intended to stand up against real use.

I understand that, but a blank firing gun isn't exactly an inert replica.

For purposes of definition, what exactly is a blank firing fun? A gun that fires blank ammo??

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

The Penal Code doesn't contain a definition of a "blank gun"; at least, no search that I could devise could locate one. This is as close as I can locate:

12550. As used in this article, the following definitions apply:
(a) "BB device" is defined in subdivision (g) of Section 12001.
(b) "Firearm" is defined in subdivision (b) of Section 12001.
(c) "Imitation firearm" means any BB device, toy gun, replica of a
firearm, or other device that is so substantially similar in
coloration and overall appearance to an existing firearm as to lead a
reasonable person to perceive that the device is a firearm.

This definition would certainly include an inert replica, but does not include all blank guns (for example, starter pistols). The two are not necessarily the same.

[AJAX22]

Yes it can be done, yes it has been done before (don't ask)...

there are a few airsoft guns which can be converted over to live fire as well

There are a few starter pistols which can easily be converted into functioning firearms ....

It is MUCH safer/easier to just machine a completely new firearm... or drop the same money on a pre 1899 pistol

[gn3hz3ku1*]

this is CA.. im sure u will end up in jail

[AJAX22]

this is CA.. im sure u will end up in jail

No, its legal to manufacture your own pistol.

However many of the quick and dirty conversions leave you with a smooth bore (AOW) which is not legal...

You also run a very good risk of getting into 'zip gun' grey areas even if you propperly swap out the barrel.

On a seperate and somewhat unrelated note, I was informed by a knowlegeable party that there are a number of airsoft guns which can be converted over to .22LR using GSG5 internal components (not the receiver just the other parts)

some are rather interesting.

and yeah I know its a bit of a necropost

[gn3hz3ku1*]

No, its legal to manufacture your own pistol.

However many of the quick and dirty conversions leave you with a smooth bore (AOW) which is not legal...

You also run a very good risk of getting into 'zip gun' grey areas even if you propperly swap out the barrel.

On a seperate and somewhat unrelated note, I was informed by a knowlegeable party that there are a number of airsoft guns which can be converted over to .22LR using GSG5 internal components (not the receiver just the other parts)

some are rather interesting.

and yeah I know its a bit of a necropost

i didnt mean it was illegal.. just get you in jail until you can post bail and fight it in the courts.

[bigthaiboy]

i was surfing on the web the other day and i ran across these blank replica guns that shoot 9mm blanks and is exactly the same as a berreta. i was wondering what if you swopt out the barrel or maybe did a 22 conversion or something would they shoot real bullets. id be to scared to try. does anyone know anything about these?

From a technical standpoint, you would have to be a machining wizard to get a blank firing pistol to reliable feed & shoot a .22LR. Blank firing pistols are made so that the internal dimensions are completely incompatible with real parts from the same model pistol, so trying to use existing .22 conversion parts will require lots of machining at every stage. The metals used are inferior as pot metal is used in several non-load bearing parts intentionally, to make conversion a less viable option, since the chances of catastrophic failure are high due to the softer metals used.

[mbarnes]

I own three (recently destroyed one). The barrels have a metal piece wielded in them (at least the ones sold in the United States), and the barrels are machined or wielded onto the frame of the pistol. Even if you managed to get all the parts squared away to accept and fire live ammunition, I think you would've created a better grenade than handgun.

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