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  • wilit
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2005
    • 5210

    Need even more help now with my AK trigger

    I'm using a Tapco G2 group with a shepards hook to retain the pins. I assembled the FCG as per the gunsgutsandgod.com website, and checked my work multiple times, disassembled, and reassembled numerous times, and am still having the same issue.

    When I lock the hammer back so it catches under the sear hook, I pull the trigger and the sear doesn't release the hammer. I've got the sear sping installed correctly, and the hammer is the right side up. Where am I going wrong?
    Last edited by wilit; 01-02-2007, 6:32 PM. Reason: Fixed problem 1, now problem 2
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  • #2
    NeoWeird
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2005
    • 3342

    This may be a dummy question, but....

    are you trying to 'fire' the weapon with the selector in? If it IS in, make sure it is DOWN towards the trigger as that is the safety off. If it is down, or it is now down and still won't fire, remove the selector completely. If that does not solve the problem, return here, try to take pictures, and try to describe in detail the relation of the trigger and sear and the sear and hammer. Also, what type of receiver you are using might help along with any other information. The more details the better.
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    • #3
      JHC
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2005
      • 1382

      The hammer should be being held back by the trigger hooks (red circle) and not the disconnector if everything is installed properly.



      The disconnector (what the picture is calling the sear) only hooks the hammer if you fire and dont let go of the trigger afterwards.
      Last edited by JHC; 12-30-2006, 7:13 PM.

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      • #4
        wilit
        Calguns Addict
        • Dec 2005
        • 5210

        Yes, the selector is set to fire. I had tried it several times with the selector removed as well, same issue.

        I was under the impression that only the trigger hook was to hold the hammer back, and not the sear/disconnector. However, when I pull the bolt back to cock the hammer, it gets caught under the sear hook. I can push forward on the trigger and the sear will release the hammer to the trigger hook.

        Looking at the FCG, it looks like the sear hook only catches the hammer by less than 1/2mm. Should I try taking a file to the sear hook?
        "If a man hasn't found something worth dying for, he isn't fit to live." - Martin Luther King Jr.
        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin
        "You have to be willing to swing your nuts like a deadblow hammer to put these jackasses in their place." - AJAX22
        "The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry." - William F Buckley Jr.
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        • #5
          thedrickel
          Calguns Addict
          • Apr 2006
          • 5577

          Try it with the original FCG. (or at least the original hammer and trigger) Maybe it's an issue with the receiver?
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          • #6
            Charliegone
            Calguns Addict
            • Oct 2005
            • 6103

            Try shifting the trigger a bit. In other words just move it to the right or left (which ever is the problem.)


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            • #7
              JHC
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2005
              • 1382

              The sleeve is installed in the G2 right? We need some pics to help.

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              • #8
                JHC
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2005
                • 1382

                Here's some pics of where the disconnector should be in relation to the hammer.
                It should be well below the point that it could catch the hammer when the trigger is not being pulled.

                Yeah, I know my gun is dirty, but so is my car.

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                • #9
                  wilit
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 5210

                  Originally posted by JHC
                  The sleeve is installed in the G2 right? We need some pics to help.
                  Damn, that's what I forgot. And I left the sleeve at my buddy's shop so I can't reassemble it to test it. That would explain the slight lateral play to the trigger.

                  I'll get it and report back.
                  "If a man hasn't found something worth dying for, he isn't fit to live." - Martin Luther King Jr.
                  "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin
                  "You have to be willing to swing your nuts like a deadblow hammer to put these jackasses in their place." - AJAX22
                  "The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry." - William F Buckley Jr.
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                  • #10
                    Harbinger
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 1152

                    I had the exact same problem with my OOW/ITM Arms receiver and a Tapco G2 Double-Hook set. I had to file down the area on the hammer and trigger where they touch. It didn't take much, so I chalk it up to the crappiness that is ITM Arms.

                    I've had so many alignment issues with this receiver that I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy.

                    Mike


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                    • #11
                      JHC
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 1382

                      Originally posted by Harbinger
                      I had the exact same problem with my OOW/ITM Arms receiver and a Tapco G2 Double-Hook set. I had to file down the area on the hammer and trigger where they touch. It didn't take much, so I chalk it up to the crappiness that is ITM Arms.

                      I've had so many alignment issues with this receiver that I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy.

                      Mike
                      My Ewbank's weren't much better, it's a good thing DCI came along or there'd be alot of half finished, dremel-destroyed AK pattern rifles in garages across California
                      Last edited by JHC; 12-31-2006, 11:18 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Santa Cruz Armory
                        Veteran Member
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 4357

                        Don't feel bad...I have about 8 hours fitting, filing, polishing, more filing, more polishing.....you get the point. In the end I still had to file down the disconnector to get it to hold the hammer down, I had to take quite a bit off the G2 hammer to get it to fit under the bolt. Just realize it's a work in progress

                        I wish that I had the ability to tweak it, fire it, tweak it, fire it. It would make the process much faster. I bought a couple of snap caps, but that didn't really help that much as I needed the gun to cycle to see if it worked.

                        I really like the gun but I hate it without the pistol grip, it just doesn't feel right. As said in the previous post, I think my next one will be a DCI.

                        Good luck!


                        Last edited by Santa Cruz Armory; 12-31-2006, 8:22 AM.
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                        • #13
                          Harbinger
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 1152

                          Originally posted by blfd1
                          Don't feel bad...I have about 8 hours fitting, filing, polishing, more filing, more polishing.....you get the point. In the end I still had to file down the disconnector to get it to hold the hammer down, I had to take quite a bit off the G2 hammer to get it to fit under the bolt. Just realize it's a work in progress

                          I see an ITM arms receiver . Dude, I'm RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.

                          I'm currently DROSsing an NDS-3. All indications are that it's a MUCH easier build. No trunnion holes to drill, no trigger or magazine alignment issues.... YAY!

                          Did you have trouble fitting the selector lever in there? Mine wouldn't clear the back of the disconnector!

                          Mike


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                          • #14
                            Santa Cruz Armory
                            Veteran Member
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 4357

                            No, mine fit ok, but it took alot of massaging to get everything working. It's still not 100% perfect, but I'm still playing with it a little before I put a finish on it.
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                            • #15
                              wilit
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Dec 2005
                              • 5210

                              Mine's and NDS-4, and I only had to do some really REALLY minor filing to the underfolder holes. Other than that, everything fit perfectly.
                              "If a man hasn't found something worth dying for, he isn't fit to live." - Martin Luther King Jr.
                              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin
                              "You have to be willing to swing your nuts like a deadblow hammer to put these jackasses in their place." - AJAX22
                              "The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry." - William F Buckley Jr.
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