FFL03 + COE questions

[Raydeon]

With both of them, can I have C&R firearms shipped directly to my home address?

Or I'll still have to go thru a dealer and but don't have to wait for 10 days and exempt for the 30 days per firearm limit?

Thanks!

[Quiet]

FFL03 + COE questions

With both of them, can I have C&R firearms shipped directly to my home address?

Or I'll still have to go thru a dealer and but don't have to wait for 10 days and exempt for the 30 days per firearm limit?

Thanks!

If you have a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE, then...

If the firearm is a C&R long gun and being shipped within CA, then it can legally be shipped directly to the address listed on your C&R 03-FFL and within 30 days of receiving the firearm, you must report it to CA DOJ. [PC 27966]

If the firearm is a C&R long gun and being shipped from out-of-state into CA, then it be must be shipped to a CA FFL dealer, who will then transfer (DROS) it to you. [PC 27585(a)]

If the firearm is a C&R handgun, then it be must be shipped to a CA FFL dealer, who will then transfer (DROS) it to you. [PC 27545 and 27585(a)]

A person with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE is exempt from the 1 in 30 day wait [PC 27535(b)(9)] and for C&R firearms only is exempt from the 10 day wait [PC 26970].
^For C&R firearms only, this person is also exempt from needing a valid FSC [PC 31700(a)(6)] and exempt from needing to conduct a safe handling demonstration [PC 26850(h) and 26860(g)].

[ar15barrels]

With both of them, can I have C&R firearms shipped directly to my home address?

Or I'll still have to go thru a dealer and but don't have to wait for 10 days and exempt for the 30 days per firearm limit?

Thanks!

Quiet covered all the shipping requirements but did not mention that you can travel out of state and acquire C&R long guns in-person and then import them yourself.
You will need to self-register them with the state within 30 days per PC 27966.

[broadside]

And don't forget to log it in your A&D book since you acquired it via your 03, and then report it to BATFE when you renew your 03 as part of the number of fires acquired or disposed of for the previous period

[Raydeon]

If you have a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE, then...

If the firearm is a C&R long gun and being shipped within CA, then it can legally be shipped directly to the address listed on your C&R 03-FFL and within 30 days of receiving the firearm, you must report it to CA DOJ. [PC 27966]

If the firearm is a C&R long gun and being shipped from out-of-state into CA, then it be must be shipped to a CA FFL dealer, who will then transfer (DROS) it to you. [PC 27585(a)]

If the firearm is a C&R handgun, then it be must be shipped to a CA FFL dealer, who will then transfer (DROS) it to you. [PC 27545 and 27585(a)]

A person with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE is exempt from the 1 in 30 day wait [PC 27535(b)(9)] and for C&R firearms only is exempt from the 10 day wait [PC 26970].
^For C&R firearms only, this person is also exempt from needing a valid FSC [PC 31700(a)(6)] and exempt from needing to conduct a safe handling demonstration [PC 26850(h) and 26860(g)].

So basically the only difference of having FFL03 + COE when buying C&R from out of states (shipped) is the 10 days wait and one in 30 days rule. I MUST still go thru a FFL01 dealer? Wow...

[SVT-40]

Quiet covered all the shipping requirements but did not mention that you can travel out of state and acquire C&R long guns in-person and then import them yourself.
You will need to self-register them with the state within 30 days per PC 27966.

Same with C&R handguns. And out of California no one cares or is interested in your California issued COE.

[SVT-40]

And don't forget to log it in your A&D book since you acquired it via your 03, and then report it to BATFE when you renew your 03 as part of the number of fires acquired or disposed of for the previous period

Acquiring a C&R firearm "VIA" your 03 license is irrelevant. If you are a Federally licensed collector it doesn't matter if you use your license or not. ALL C&R firearms you Acquire regardless of the method of acquisition must be entered in your A&D book. The same is true with all dispositions.

There are no exceptions.

[Quiet]

So basically the only difference of having FFL03 + COE when buying C&R from out of states (shipped) is the 10 days wait and one in 30 days rule. I MUST still go thru a FFL01 dealer? Wow...

Even though under Federal laws it is legal for a person with a C&R 03-FFL to receive direct shipments of C&R firearms, it must be done in accordance with all Federal laws and all State laws of the transferor & transferee.

Therefore...

If the firearm is shipped from out-of-state into CA, then it must be shipped to a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27585(a)]

A CA resident with a valid C&R 03-FFL failing to utilize a CA FFL dealer to receive C&R firearms being shipped from out-of-state into CA equates to a misdemeanor per long gun [PC 27590(a)] and a felony per handgun [PC 27590(c)(7)].

Alternatively...

A CA resident with valid C&R 03-FFL can travel to another State, acquire a C&R firearm in that State, legally bring that C&R firearm back to CA, and within 5 days of returning to CA report it to CA DOJ. [PC 27585(b)(1) and 27565]

[ar15barrels]

So basically the only difference of having FFL03 + COE when buying C&R from out of states (shipped) is the 10 days wait and one in 30 days rule. I MUST still go thru a FFL01 dealer? Wow...

One more thing is that you can have ammo shipped directly to your home instead of involving an 01FFL.

[champu]

Acquiring a C&R firearm "VIA" your 03 license is irrelevant. If you are a Federally licensed collector it doesn't matter if you use your license or not. ALL C&R firearms you Acquire regardless of the method of acquisition must be entered in your A&D book. The same is true with all dispositions.

There are no exceptions.

Would you enter a firearm into your A&D book if you had it transferred to you when it was 49 years old and it subsequently turned 50 while it was in your possession?

[SVT-40]

Would you enter a firearm into your A&D book if you had it transferred to you when it was 49 years old and it subsequently turned 50 while it was in your possession?

No, because it wasn't a C&R when you acquired it. Same with C&R firearms you acquired before you were licensed.

Now if you dispose of any C& R firearm while you are licensed, and that gun isn't in your book because it wasn't a C&R when you acquired it, or you had it before you were licensed you must enter it in your book.

On the acquisition side of your book you simply list it as "from personal collection before licensed" showing were you acquired it.

[champu]

No, because it wasn't a C&R when you acquired it. Same with C&R firearms you acquired before you were licensed.

Now if you dispose of any C& R firearm while you are licensed, and that gun isn't in your book because it wasn't a C&R when you acquired it, or you had it before you were licensed you must enter it in your book.

On the acquisition side of your book you simply list it as "from personal collection before licensed" showing were you acquired it.

Thanks for the response, that is my take as well, and I have at least one firearm in that situation. I thought it was an interesting special case.