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  • ppark
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 24

    Selling and shipping guns

    Can I (private party) sell guns to another private party who is out of state?
    If so, what is the process? How can I make sure that the gun is no longer registered to me?

    Someone out of state wants to buy my gun and asked me to ship via FFL but I am not sure if I can do that. My understanding is that a private party transfer has to done in person.

    If above possible, can the same process work for someone in California.
    Last edited by ppark; 03-28-2024, 7:56 AM.
  • #2
    ppark
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 24

    I found this Notice of No Longer in Possession (BOF 4546 (Rev. 12/2019) form. It sems like I can ship my guns through FFL and fill out this form. I am not sure this can be done in California. Since the seller and the buyer is not transacting in person, I am not sure if it is legal for the buyer.

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    • #3
      divingin
      Veteran Member
      • Jul 2015
      • 2522

      Face to face is a California thing, for the most part. Most (if not all) other states don't really care.

      And that gun (I believe) will always be on your California record. The "No longer in Possession" thing is fine, but I think it just adds a line to the record. In any case, if you have the transaction record of sale, that would cover you if something untoward happened after.

      Hopefully someone with complete knowledge will come along (Quiet?) and fill in all the holes.

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      • #4
        Preston-CLB
        Veteran Member
        • Apr 2018
        • 3353

        If you are selling and shipping out of CA, the gun must be shipped to an FFL

        If you are selling a gun to a CA resident via PPT at an FFL, the gun must be on the roster if it is semi-auto pistol unless the buyer is exempt, the gun is a single action handgun, or the gun is classified as a Curio and Relic. The PPT transfer must take place in person at an FFL. Both seller and buyer must be present.

        You can file a "No longer in possession" form as noted above.
        -P
        ? "If you want nice fresh oats, you have to pay a fair price. If you are satisfied with oats that have already been through the horse, well, that comes a little cheaper."

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        • #5
          SVT-40
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2008
          • 12893

          Originally posted by Preston-CLB
          If you are selling and shipping out of CA, the gun must be shipped to an FFL

          If you are selling a gun to a CA resident via PPT at an FFL, the gun must be on the roster if it is semi-auto pistol unless the buyer is exempt, the gun is a single action handgun, or the gun is classified as a Curio and Relic. The PPT transfer must take place in person at an FFL. Both seller and buyer must be present.

          You can file a "No longer in possession" form as noted above.
          -P
          PPT'S are roster exempt.
          Poke'm with a stick!


          Originally posted by fiddletown
          What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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          • #6
            Librarian
            Admin and Poltergeist
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2005
            • 44625

            Originally posted by divingin
            Face to face is a California thing, for the most part. Most (if not all) other states don't really care.

            And that gun (I believe) will always be on your California record. The "No longer in Possession" thing is fine, but I think it just adds a line to the record. In any case, if you have the transaction record of sale, that would cover you if something untoward happened after.

            Hopefully someone with complete knowledge will come along (Quiet?) and fill in all the holes.
            You understand that correctly.

            The NLIP is not required; it also asks for detailed buyer info - were I such a buyer, I would object to giving CA anything.

            As already noted, must ship to/meet at an FFL in the buyer's state and do the transfer through the FFL. That's 18 USC 922(a)(5) - https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?...ction922&num=0
            ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

            Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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            • #7
              Preston-CLB
              Veteran Member
              • Apr 2018
              • 3353

              Originally posted by SVT-40
              PPT'S are roster exempt.
              Oops! My bad. Forgot that important detail.

              These damn laws are so confusing, it's amazing many of us have not gone bat-schist crazy trying to do the right, and legal, thing. Arrrgh.
              -P
              ? "If you want nice fresh oats, you have to pay a fair price. If you are satisfied with oats that have already been through the horse, well, that comes a little cheaper."

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