Selling ammunition in CA

[krb]

Hello. If I have excess ammunition, can I sell it legally in California? What if I am an FFL 03? I?m not moving out of state, but if I were moving out of state, am I allowed to sell my ammunition before moving?

[riderr]

Hello. If I have excess ammunition, can I sell it legally in California? What if I am an FFL 03? I?m not moving out of state, but if I were moving out of state, am I allowed to sell my ammunition before moving?

500 round/month through a dealer, unless you have an ammo vendor license. FFL03 gives you no edge.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=30342.

I am not sure how California can keep track of your shipments to out-of-state customers, though.

[krb]

I know ffl03 allows you to buy ammo. Doesn?t it allow you to sell? So I can?t sell directly to someone with ffl03? I have to drop it off at an ffl01 and have them run it? I was thinking of listing ammo for sale here or Gunbroker but ? it?s the same process as selling a firearm person to person?

That?s lame.

[kcheung2]

Hello. If I have excess ammunition, can I sell it legally in California?

Yes, it must be done via a licensed ammo dealer, typically a FFL01

What if I am an FFL 03?

Irrelevant for either the buyer or seller

I?m not moving out of state, but if I were moving out of state, am I allowed to sell my ammunition before moving?

See first question.

During ammo freedom week a few months back, in a practical sense ammo could be sold face to face without any encumbrances, but that's over for now.

[BrokerB]

Correct.. F newsome and his treasonous crew.

[Subotai]

I think you can sell as much as you want to a gun or ammo store.

[Quiet]

I know ffl03 allows you to buy ammo. Doesn't it allow you to sell? So I can't sell directly to someone with ffl03? I have to drop it off at an ffl01 and have them run it? I was thinking of listing ammo for sale here or Gunbroker but ? it's the same process as selling a firearm person to person?

That's lame.

Just having a valid C&R 03-FFL does not make the person exempt from any CA ammunition laws.

A person with a valid C&R 03-FFL and a valid COE is exempt from needing to utilize a CA FFL dealer in order to legally acquire (receive) ammo from a non-licensed person in CA [PC 30312(c)(6)] and is exempt from needing to utilize a CA FFL dealer in order to legally import ammo acquired outside of CA into CA [PC 30314(b)(5)].
^When acquiring ammo from a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer, this person must still undergo an Ammo DROS and must do a COE verification check or Standard Eligibility Check. [PC 30352, 30370(a)(2), and 11 CCR 4282, 4285]

The person with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE must still utilize a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer to legally transfer (sell) ownership of ammo to a non-exempt person in CA. [PC 30312]

The person with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE is still legally limited to selling no more than 500 rounds of ammunition within a 30 day window, while they are in CA. [PC 30342]

Therefore...

While in CA, if the buyer is a CA resident that has a valid C&R 03-FFL, then the transfer must be done through a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer.
While in CA, if the buyer is a CA resident that has a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE, then the transfer is exempt from needing to be done through a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer.
While in CA, the transferor is limited to selling no more than 500 rounds of ammo per 30 days.

[Zenderfall]

Just having a valid C&R 03-FFL does not make the person exempt from any CA ammunition laws.

The person with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE must still utilize a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer to legally transfer (sell) ownership of ammo to a non-exempt person in CA. [PC 30312]

Can you clarify the following?

Section 30312 (c) (6).

Subdivisions (a) and (b) shall not apply to the following:

(6) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710.

From what I read there, if two people both have FFL03?s and COE?s, they can directly trade/buy/sell ammo to each other without having to go through an FFL dealer. But I may be missing something.

The part I wanted clarification on is this:

-we know that if my friend and I both dont have FFL03+COE, we have to go through a dealer. That part?s easy.

-lets say I have the FFL03+COE and he doesn?t. For sure I can?t hand him 5000 rounds, but can he?

-the last part, lets say we both have FFL03+COE?s. I think, reading from the exemptions, we can both hand each other 5000 rounds no problem. Unless I missed something.

[Quiet]

Can you clarify the following?

Section 30312 (c) (6).

Subdivisions (a) and (b) shall not apply to the following:

(6) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710.

From what I read there, if two people both have FFL03's and COE's, they can directly trade/buy/sell ammo to each other without having to go through an FFL dealer. But I may be missing something.

The part I wanted clarification on is this:

-we know that if my friend and I both dont have FFL03+COE, we have to go through a dealer. That part's easy.

-lets say I have the FFL03+COE and he doesn't. For sure I can't hand him 5000 rounds, but can he?

-the last part, lets say we both have FFL03+COE's. I think, reading from the exemptions, we can both hand each other 5000 rounds no problem. Unless I missed something.

1. If the transferor is a non-exempt person and the transferee is a non-exempt person = Transfer must be done through a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer. [PC 30312(a),(b)]

2. If the transferor is an exempt person (has a valid C&R 03-FFL + valid COE) and the transferee is a non-exempt person = Transfer must be done through a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer. [PC 30312(a),(b)]

3. If the transferor is an exempt person (has a valid C&R 03-FFL + valid COE) and the transferee is an exempt person (has a valid C&R 03-FFL + valid COE) = Transfer is exempt and does not have to be done through a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer. [PC 30312(c)(6)]

4. If the transferor is a non-exempt person and the transferee is an exempt person (has a valid C&R 03-FFL + valid COE) = Transfer is exempt and does not have to be done through a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer. [PC 30312(c)(6)]

Unless the transferor is a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer, the transferor is limited to selling no more than 500 rounds of ammunition every 30 days. [PC 30342(a)]

[Zenderfall]

100% clarity there, thanks Quiet!

[Featureless]

I wonder what the rate of noncompliance is. In terms of number of rounds, I'd guess +-50%

[beerman]

Most all buyers could give a crap about going legal. But it’s all about your risk tolerance.