Re-dros gun arriving back at FFL?

[G. Freeman]

Hello Guys,

I recently sent a pistol back to the manufacturer through an FFL that I found (very nice guy). The manufacturer told me that is the only way they would receive the firearm.

Per status check, my gun is repaired, serial# unchanged, and to be mailed back to the FFL.

Per my previous conversation with the FFL, my gun would have to be re-DROSED and wait another 10-days even if the serial# is not changed.

Has something changed that I don't know of? My understanding is as long as the serial# is the same, then there's no need to go through the same process.

Would you have a link to the proper DOJ rules so I can give this to him when I pick it up. This way it puts him at ease that re-drosing is unnecessary?

I'd appreciate your input.

[9Cal_OC]

Nope, there’s an exemption to this so it doesn’t have to be re-DROSed.

There’s a few threads on this; I’ll see if I can find it.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1851299&highlight=Repair

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1683330&highlight=Repair

[foothillman]

Not clear cut since you used a FFL.
If you sent in than they could just send it back to you...no FFL needed.
27540 is for FFL and does not apply if 27705 is reason for delivery...gunsmith/manufacturer.

That is how I read it.

27705.


Section 27540 does not apply to the delivery of a firearm to a gunsmith for service or repair, or to the return of the firearm to its owner by the gunsmith, or to the delivery of a firearm by a gunsmith to a person licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code for service or repair and the return of the firearm to the gunsmith.

(Added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. (SB 1080) Effective January 1, 2011. Operative January 1, 2012, by Sec. 10 of Ch. 711.)

27540.


A dealer, whether or not acting pursuant to Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050), shall not deliver a firearm to a person, as follows:

(a) Within 10 days of the application to purchase, or, after notice by the department pursuant to Section 28220, within 10 days of the submission to the department of any correction to the application, or within 10 days of the submission to the department of any fee required pursuant to Section 28225, whichever is later.

(b) Unless unloaded and securely wrapped or unloaded and in a locked container.

(c) Unless the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents clear evidence of the person?s identity and age to the dealer.

(d) Whenever the dealer is notified by the Department of Justice that the person is prohibited by state or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm.

(e) A firearm, including a handgun, shall not be delivered unless the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents a firearm safety certificate to the dealer, except that in the case of a handgun, an unexpired handgun safety certificate may be presented.

(f) A firearm shall not be delivered whenever the dealer is notified by the Department of Justice that within the preceding 30-day period, the purchaser has made another application to purchase a handgun, semiautomatic centerfire rifle, completed frame or receiver, or firearm precursor part, and that the previous application to purchase did not involve any of the entities or circumstances specified in subdivision (b) of Section 27535.

(g) This section shall become operative on January 1, 2024.

(Repealed (in Sec. 20) and added by Stats. 2022, Ch. 76, Sec. 21. (AB 1621) Effective June 30, 2022. Operative January 1, 2024, by its own provisions.)

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayexpandedbranch.xhtml?tocCode=PEN&division=&title=&part=6.&chapter=&article=&nodetreepath=9

[sigstroker]

That manufacturer sucks for making you use an ffl.

[smoothy8500]

Yeah, maybe tell us which mfr is insisting that it be sent to them via ffl in the first place.

[edgerly779]

Nother clueless ffl.

[Tarmy]

Ummm. No.

What manufacturer OP?

[P5Ret]

The problem isn't the manufacturer, it's UPS and Fedex who have policies that prohibit an non-FFL holder from shipping a firearm.

[BearCreekRoad]

The problem isn't the manufacturer, it's UPS and Fedex who have policies that prohibit an non-FFL holder from shipping a firearm.

That is incorrect. Both UPS and Fedex allowing shipping from a random person to an FFL, it it is done using the FFL's account.

[smoothy8500]

The problem isn't the manufacturer, it's UPS and Fedex who have policies that prohibit an non-FFL holder from shipping a firearm.

You get the mfr to e-mail/send a shipping label....

[G. Freeman]

Manufacturer is Glock. My pistol is several yrs old, so they are not giving me a label. Rep said I have to ship to them only via FFL on my own dime.

The FFL is a very good guy. Maybe just being overly cautious. That's why I want to send him some info that could inform him.

[SkyHawk]

This is an unfortunate gray area in CA law, because the exemption (27705) applies to a "gunsmith".
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=27705.

Section 27540 does not apply to the delivery of a firearm to a gunsmith for service or repair, or to the return of the firearm to its owner by the gunsmith, or to the delivery of a firearm by a gunsmith to a person licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code for service or repair and the return of the firearm to the gunsmith.

And a gunsmith is defined in PC16630 as:

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=16630.

As used in this part, "gunsmith" means any person who is licensed as a dealer pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, who is engaged primarily in the business of repairing firearms, or making or fitting special barrels, stocks, or trigger mechanisms to firearms, or the agent or employee of that person.

The language of the law does seem a bit questionable for a straight up dealer FFL who is not primarily a gunsmithing operation.

And that is why it is both unfortunate and asinine that some manufacturers will not accept guns for repair directly from CA residents and return them directly back to them after service.

[Gymtech]

Last year I sent my mini 14 to have the upgraded safety done to Ruger
My local gun shop just handed it back to me once they got it back.

[kenl]

Since 2022 I had to send two pistols from the same manufacturer back for warranty work. Sent one through an FFL. Didn't need to re-dros when it returned. The shop just handed it to me. Second one they emailed me a shipping label. I shipped it from an ups store, and they sent it directly to me when repaired.

No re-dros, no hassles (except for dealing with a broken gun), and both work now.

OP, you may want to talk to Glock about just sending them it directly, or look for another FFL if they insist that you use one as a shipper.

[Garbcollector]

Had this same issue with a bolt action rifle years ago it turned into a mess