30 Super Carry

[Doheny]

I?m just learning about 30 Super Carry. Does anyone have any experience with it? Thoughts on it vs. 9mm? Is it around to stay or will it go the way of .45 GAP?

[LBDamned]

Saw GAG selling Shiled in that caliber a few day ago... looked for about 5 seconds and lost interest.

Sorry, not the info you're looking for, but it just seems gimmicky (imo) ... do we really need an intermediate between .380 and 9mm? I'm sure plenty will insist 'yes' - but I don?t see the need.

[Quiet]

From hearing about and looking at its specs on paper, it appears to be a modernized 7.65x20mm French Long cartridge.

The 7.65x20mm French Long cartridge was developed in 1917, as the .30 Pederson cartridge, and was actively used by the French Gov/Mil/LE until the 1960s.
The 7.65x20mm French Long cartridge is basically the French manufactured version of the American manufactured .30 Pederson aka .30-18 Auto cartridge.

From some third party reviewers, a firearm chambered in .30 Super Carry can safely chamber/discharge the 7.65x20mm French Long cartridge.
Firearms chambered in 7.62x20mm French Long can chamber the .30 Super Carry, but can not safely discharge .30 Super Carry, due to it being a higher pressure cartridge. (if done, expect ka-boom)

A third party reviewer jokingly referenced the .30 Super Carry as being the creation of someone who thought a rimless +P+ .32ACP cartridge was a good idea.

Other third party reviews thought the .30 Super Carry would be good for people that find the 9x19mm cartridge has too much felt recoil and want something more powerful than the .380 ACP cartridge.

[bohoki]

it looks interesting the idea of additional rounds in a thinner grip sounds good im already invested in 9mm and besides being in california with the 10 round limit and being in california for a long time means i have a few unlimited magazines

the french 35 pistol in my opinion is robust enough to handle it if the chamber is modified for it

got to see what glock does with it

[ptmn]

It was designed to fill the power gap between a 380 ACP and a 9mm Luger, leaning more towards the 9mm.

Hard to say if it will be successful or go the way of the dinosaur.

The weapons it is offered in are 9mm sized weapons, so the only advantage is a few more rounds fit in the magazines. I think this is where manufacturers missed the boat. If the M&P Bodyguard 380 or Ruger LCP could be re-engineered just slightly beefier and slightly longer to fit the 30 SC, that would truly be a gem, being a micro-compact 380 sized weapon with power close to a 9mm instead of 380.

[Capybara]

Saw GAG selling Shiled in that caliber a few day ago... looked for about 5 seconds and lost interest.

Sorry, not the info you're looking for, but it just seems gimmicky (imo) ... do we really need an intermediate between .380 and 9mm? I'm sure plenty will insist 'yes' - but I don?t see the need.

It already exists, 9x18 Makarov.

.30 Super Carry has already flopped. Made a little noise last year and nobody bought it.

[Quiet]

It already exists, 9x18 Makarov.

.30 Super Carry has already flopped. Made a little noise last year and nobody bought it.

The problem with 9x18mm Makarov in the USA is that there is little to no domestic production of that ammo and there are no manufacturers making new firearms chambered in it that can be imported into the USA.
^Need to rely on the surplus market for firearms chambered in it and need to rely on foreign made ammo.



IMO...
I can see .30 Super Carry going the way of .327 Federal Magnum.

[L84CABO]

Yes, it will go the way of 45 GAP...and .40 Cal for that matter. The only reason to buy 30 Super is as a novelty. You shouldn't be considering it as a serious caliber for at least 5 more years. Come back in 5 years and see what it's doing. My bet is nobody will even remember it.

[plumbum]

It could be cool in a G45 sized gun without capacity restrictions, but otherwise I seriously doubt it will make much inroads to guarantee survival.

[Zenderfall]

Its hard for people to adopt new cartridges if it doesn?t offer anything over the top. It doesn?t work to slot something in-between because people are already used to buying the higher or lower end, and at prices they?re already used to. New cartridges always have a price premium going against them, so its not hard to see why 45 GAP, .327 Federal Magnum, and now, .30 Super Carry don?t make it to mainstream. Heck, .40 S&W was almost going to make it but dropped off too.

The only cartridge I can think of that?s stuck around since its recent inception?..is 5.7 FN.

[splithoof]

The only cartridge I can think of that?s stuck around since its recent inception?..is 5.7 FN.

That I find puzzling.
A round of niche use, designed to use a projectile that is for the most part unobtainable by the masses, expensive, and often difficult to reload for.

[TrailerparkTrash]

This is my repost of a post I did a while back:

Remember when Federal thought their new .327 would kill the .38spl and compete head to head with .357 magnum?

Remember when Federal thought their new joint ventured .32 H&R Magnum would kill the .38spl?

Remember when Ruger thought their new .204 would replace the .22mag, .22Hornet and the .223?

Remember when S&W thought their new .40 S&W would kill the 9mm, 10mm and the .45ACP?

Remember when Rock Island Armory thought their new .22 TCM would kill the 9mm?

Remember when FN thought their new 5.7x28mm would cut ?heavily? into 9mm sales?

Remember when Glock thought their new .45GAP would cut sales of the .45ACP?

Remember when Remington thought their new .41 magnum would outperform the ?underpowered? .357 magnum AND the ?overly powerful? .44 magnum?

Remember when Sig thought their new .357Sig would kill both the 9mm and .40 S&W?

Remember when Ruger thought their new .17HMR would overtake sales of .22WMR?

Remember when the .41AE was supposed to take over .45ACP?

Remember when Remington thought their new .357 Maximum would take over the .357 Magnum world?

Remember when Winchester thought their new 9x23 would beat out the .38 Super for popularity in competition matches?

Remember when Cor-Bon thought their new .400 Cor-Bon would lead in sales, beating out 10mm?

Remember when Federal thought the .30 Super Carry would kill the _________(fill in)?

If you use a 9mm pistol for defense and you?d rather have a cartridge that has less energy, makes smaller holes in bad guys, has smaller hollow-point cavities for less expansion, is too small to use in competitions for practice, is harder to find in stores, and is more expensive, then 30SC is for you.

By the way, there never existed any type of ?gap? between .380 and ?.380 Magnum? (aka: 9mm). Just my opinion.

[Zenderfall]

Wow, you'd think with that long list of failures, companies would take the hint and stop dumping money into (re-hashed) cartridges, basically trying to reinvent wheels, but nope, every few years or so, another cartridge comes out claiming to be a __________ KILLER.

[splithoof]

^^^^Ammunition manufacturers must always invent new products, have support from gun makers and gun-related media.
Ever notice how they try to convince you that what you presently own is no longer adequate? All your problems will be solved by going to the new Whiz-Bang gun, with this unstoppable new ammunition, in a brand new holster.

Always ask the question: What is it for?

[smle-man]

I like .32 handguns and if I wasn't broke and if the the right (for me) launcher was available, I'd buy one. I reload .32 long and .32 HR so one more oddball .32 wouldn't stop me.