buy firearm in another state and bring home

[edgerly779]

Apparently this si legal b4etween other states. Buddy went elk hunting in montana and stopped at ffl in Idaho and he and a buddy bought a rifle and shotgun. filled out 4473 with their state address. One is from AZ and one from Utah.

[jwkincal]

It is for long guns in most of Free America.

[Quiet]

Apparently this si legal b4etween other states. Buddy went elk hunting in montana and stopped at ffl in Idaho and he and a buddy bought a rifle and shotgun. filled out 4473 with their state address. One is from AZ and one from Utah.

Since 1968...

Federal laws have prohibited the transfer of firearms between residents of different States without the use of a FFL. [18 USC 922(a)(3),(5)]

Federal laws have prohibited a FFL from transferring a firearm to a non-resident of their State. [18 USC 922(b)(3)]
Federal laws provide an exemption to this as long as the transfer is for a Title 1 Rifle or Title 1 Shotgun and the transfer complies with all Federal laws and the State laws of both the FFL and the non-resident. [18 USC 922(b)(3)(A)]

The State laws of ID, AZ, and UT allows a ID FFL dealer to legally transfer a rifle or shotgun to an AZ resident and a UT resident.

Because the Federal laws requires the transfer to be done in compliance of the State laws of the FFL and non-resident, this prevents a non-CA FFL dealer from legally transferring a firearm to a non-FFL CA resident.
^This is due to the State laws of CA requiring the use of a CA FFL dealer for the transfer of firearms.


Before 2011, NV laws only allowed a NV resident, that is outside of Nevada, to legally acquire a rifle or shotgun from an AZ FFL dealer, ID FFL dealer, OR FFL dealer, or UT FFL dealer.
^These NV laws were repealed on 01-01-2011. Which allowed NV residents while outside of Nevada to legally acquire a rifle or shotgun from any State FFL dealer, as long as the transfer complies with all Federal laws and the State laws of the FFL dealer.

[FourT6and2]

In more clear terms: Federal law states that the purchase must be in compliance with all laws of the purchaser's home state. So if your home state allows cash+carry (and the purchasing state does too), you're good to go. CA does not allow it.

[Quiet]

In more clear terms: Federal law states that the purchase must be in compliance with all laws of the purchaser's home state. So if your home state allows cash+carry (and the purchasing state does too), you're good to go. CA does not allow it.

If the transferee is not a FFL, then...

Federal laws requires the transfer to be done through a FFL. [18 USC 922(a)(3),(5)]

Federal laws only allows the transfers of Title 1 Rifle or Title 1 Shotgun that are done through an out-of-state FFL. [18 USC 922(b)(3)]

Federal laws requires the transfer of a Title 1 Handgun, Title 1 Other, and all Title 2 firearms to be done through a FFL in the transferee's State of residence. [18 USC 922(b)(3)]


IF non-FFLs from different States transfer firearms between themselves, via cash & carry because it is legal in their State of residence, then everyone involved with the transfer are in violation of Federal laws. [18 USC 922(a)(3),(5)]
^Federal felonies for the transferor and transferee. [18 USC 924(a)(1)(D)]

[SVT-40]

Get a C&R FFL and you can buy C&R firearms including pistols in other states and bring them home to California...

[FourT6and2]

If the transferee is not a FFL, then...

Federal laws requires the transfer to be done through a FFL. [18 USC 922(a)(3),(5)]

Federal laws only allows the transfers of Title 1 Rifle or Title 1 Shotgun that are done through an out-of-state FFL. [18 USC 922(b)(3)]

Federal laws requires the transfer of a Title 1 Handgun, Title 1 Other, and all Title 2 firearms to be done through a FFL in the transferee's State of residence. [18 USC 922(b)(3)]


IF non-FFLs from different States transfer firearms between themselves, via cash & carry because it is legal in their State of residence, then everyone involved with the transfer are in violation of Federal laws. [18 USC 922(a)(3),(5)]
^Federal felonies for the transferor and transferee. [18 USC 924(a)(1)(D)]

We aren't talking about handguns here. And yes, through an FFL. Federal law permits rifles or shotguns (not handguns) to be sold to non-resident buyers from other states. And the purchaser can take physical possession, but the laws in purchaser's state of residence must still be followed. Federal law allows it. California law does not. It's legal in some other states.

[baih777]

Apparently this si legal b4etween other states. Buddy went elk hunting in montana and stopped at ffl in Idaho and he and a buddy bought a rifle and shotgun. filled out 4473 with their state address. One is from AZ and one from Utah.

Delete your post !!

[edgerly779]

Why should I delete my post? Their transactions were legal. Are you paranoid about this.

[arrix]

Federal laws are unconstitutional!

[Warbonnet]

Laws are made to be broken.

[bigbossman]

Living in ID, Hunting in WY, I found a nice rifle on consignment. Did the 5 minute NICS check, paid and walked out with it.

[RickD427]

Transactions under 18USC922(b)(3) have been legal for for as far back as I can remember. They used to be restricted to adjoining states, but the adjoining state limitation was removed years ago.

But the law only permits the transfer of non-NFA Rifles and Shotguns. It doesn't work for handguns and receivers.

The main rub is that the state laws of both states have to be followed. Since California has a requirement for private firearms sales to be handled through a dealer, and for the completion of a California DROS, it's not possible for a California resident to make an out-of-state purchase under 18USC922(b)(3).

[M1NM]

To make this simple for CA residents.
You can buy a CA legal gun from anyone in any state. In person via the internet, etc.
To take possession the seller will need to deliver it to an FFL in CA who will complete the transfer to you in accordance with draconian CA gun laws.

Yes your buddy can sell you his CA legal gun while he's visiting. You guys just go to the FFL and do the paperwork. However since he's not a CA resident it's not a PPT and the dealer must receive it into his bound book and then transfer it out to you. He can charge whatever he wants for this service. $50-150 seems the norm.

[BigPimping]

All gun laws are illegal.