Lower receiver purchase question

[Rob454]

My buddy wants to buy a lower tomorrow for his future build. I?m gonna go with him. If I buy multiple stripped lower receivers can I designate one as a pistol receiver? I plan on buying 4 receivers. Two for builds two for future. I saw Turners has Aero precision for $75 each. Ammo bros has Anderson for $89. Is Anderson better or go with Aero lowers? Any insight?

[Tere_Hanges]

Hahaha, nope. CA handgun roster still in effect. If it were that easy you'd already know about it because everyone would be doing that.

[Rob454]

Hahaha, nope. CA handgun roster still in effect. If it were that easy you'd already know about it because everyone would be doing that.

Yeah that?s why I was asking. Thanks. Not a big deal just wanted clarification

[BigBronco]

Go with the Aero, better lower. The Andersons were considered Budjet lowers.

[Rob454]

Go with the Aero, better lower. The Andersons were considered Budjet lowers.

19-4. I did some reading over the weekend and consensus is Aero to be the better one.

[ar15barrels]

My buddy wants to buy a lower tomorrow for his future build. I?m gonna go with him. If I buy multiple stripped lower receivers can I designate one as a pistol receiver? I plan on buying 4 receivers. Two for builds two for future. I saw Turners has Aero precision for $75 each. Ammo bros has Anderson for $89. Is Anderson better or go with Aero lowers? Any insight?

In CA, dealer sales of stripped lowers will all be as a long gun.
You can not use a long gun stripped receiver to build a handgun.

So the stripped lowers you can buy FROM A DEALER can never be assembled as a handgun unless you are roster exempt and the stripped lower transfers as a handgun frame.

There are stripped lowers for sale via Private Party Transfer which are legally registered as handguns.
I have some available here:

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=27856416

[NATO762]

Aren?t we limited to one in 30 days for new purchases? PPT may be different.

[CoopsDad]

Go with the Aero, better lower. The Andersons were considered Budjet lowers.

Anderson, aka "Poverty Pony". I have three Anderson lowers; one is built the other two are bare. No complaints about the one that's built up as a 5.56 carbine but, if you offered to trade me the other two and pay me $15 each, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Aero > Anderson.

[ar15barrels]

Aren?t we limited to one in 30 days for new purchases? PPT may be different.

PPT's have no purchase limit as they are not a DEALER SALE.
Seeing as how the source of the firearm is a private party, the DEALER SALE limits do not apply.

Currently, the 1-in-30 DEALER SALE limit applies to handguns and semi-auto centerfire rifles.
Stripped receivers are NOT semi-auto centerfire rifles or pistols so there is no limit on those.

27535.
(a) A person shall not make an application to purchase more than one handgun or semiautomatic centerfire rifle within any 30-day period. This subdivision does not authorize a person to make an application to purchase both a handgun and semiautomatic centerfire rifle within the same 30-day period.

(c) This section shall remain in effect until January 1, 2024, and as of that date is repealed.

Beginning on 1-1-2024, the law changes to this:

27535.
(a) A person shall not make an application to purchase more than one firearm within any 30-day period. This subdivision does not authorize a person to make an application to purchase a combination of firearms, completed frames or receivers, or firearm precursor parts within the same 30-day period.

(c) This section shall become operative on January 1, 2024.

That means only 1 firearm of ANY TYPE per 30 days.
Stripped receivers are firearms.

[ar15robert]

I’d take the aero for that price for sure. I have an aero and had an Anderson both were good though Anderson was only 60 bucks. Aero was double but fitment on both were good and finish was good too on both.

Just comes down to name on side for me here and future resale

[edgerly779]

I picked up 3 anderson lowers and am assembling now. All featureless with hammerhead grips

[edgerly779]

I have several ars and I do not see spikes,aero, or colt armalite as being superior. Accuracy comes from barrels, upper fit and headspacing. bore interface with bolt face and bolt. Randall is our local mad scientist of firearms ask him. Used to be Jim Boland.

[Wuzcrackilackin]

Sorry to bump this thread fellas. I keep hearing this bandied about - that all lowers are drosed as long-guns even if drosed as "other".

People claim that by building a maglocked ar pistol (no stock) on a stripped lower drosed as other you would be making

1) an aw
2) an sbr
3) an unsafe handgun

It is illegal to purchase more than 1 rifle at a time. That is why these lowers are drosed as "other". If you attempt to buy more than 1 rifle in 30 days the dros cannot be processed. California's own laws prohibit a stripped lower drosed as other from being a long-gun as far as I can tell.

The definition of a short barreled rifle are all based upon the building or modification of a rifle or rifle precursor parts. (https://law.onecle.com/california/penal/17170.html)

So what is a rifle? Definitions are given in this document: https://www.oag.ca.gov/sites/all/fil...xt-of-regs.pdf

Where a rifle is defined as:
**emphasis below, mine**
"Rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be **fired from the shoulder** and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a **rifled bore** (excludes shotguns) for each single pull of the trigger.

The state tells is here that in order for a weapon to be a rifle it must be intended to be fired from the shoulder and have a rifled bore. An ar pistol would not have a rifle stock and is intended to be fired like any other pistol.

Now I move on to the unsafe handgun manufacturing.

The same document mentioned above (https://www.oag.ca.gov/sites/all/fil...xt-of-regs.pdf)

Defines self manufactured or self assembled firearms this way;

"Self-assembled or "self-manufactured" firearm means a firearm fabricated or constructed, including firearm constructed using a 3D printer or any other technology, by a person, or a firearm the component parts which were fit together by a person to construct a firearm, but does not include:

(1) A firearm assembled or manufactured by a firearms manufacturer licensed by the State of California and/or the Federal Government, or
(2) A firearm with a serialized receiver purchased from a California gun store and later assembled it into a functional firearm. In this case, a licensed Federal Firearms Licensee is the manufacturer of the firearm and has applied its own serial number to the firearm.

Therefore according to this document you cannot manufacture an unsafe handgun from a serialized lower receiver purchased from a california ffl and it was manufactured when it was serialized by the ffl who actually milled the receiver.

What I want to know is where does the info come from that the ca doj considers all stripped lowers to be long guns. I want to see it in print in one of their docs. I've read the faq, gun laws overview, skimmed through the dros booklet and re-read their rules on the manufacturing of firearms. Thanks in advance!

Then I found the rules here about self manufactured and assembled weapons posted on reddit.

[Quiet]

Sorry to bump this thread fellas. I keep hearing this bandied about - that all lowers are drosed as long-guns even if drosed as "other".

People claim that by building a maglocked ar pistol (no stock) on a stripped lower drosed as other you would be making

1) an aw
2) an sbr
3) an unsafe handgun

From what I can recall...

Before 2014, unless an exemption was utilized, a receiver was CA DROS'd as "long gun".

A firearm with a less than 16" barrel is considered a "handgun" and a "handgun" can also be classified as a SBR/SBS if it meets the CA definition of a SBR/SBS.

Because only "handguns" were registered, a firearm that gets run through AFS by a CA LEO and gets a return that is not a handgun but a long gun, gives the CA LEO reasonable suspicion that the firearm is an illegal SBR/SBS (weapon made from a rifle/shotgun).

Since it was not entered into the system as a handgun during transfer, there is now reasonable suspicion that the firearm was made from a rifle/shotgun, which makes it an illegal SBR/SBS.

In addition, during this time period, the ATF 4473 form only had two categories, "handgun" and "long gun".
If the receiver was going to be made into a handgun, it was marked "handgun" on the ATF 4473.
If the receiver was marked as "long gun" and utilized to make a "handgun", then ATF got involved to determine if the firearm was an illegal SBR/SBS.


From 01-2014 to 10-2021, unless an exemption was utilized, a receiver was CA DROS'd as a "long gun, rifle, receiver" or "long gun, shotgun, receiver".

If this receiver is utilized to make a "handgun", then the resulting firearm is considered an illegal SBR (weapon made from a rifle) or an illegal SBS (weapon made from a shotgun).


Starting 10-2021, unless an exemption is utilized, a receiver is CA DROS'd as "long gun, other, receiver".

A semi-auto centerfire firearm; that is not a pistol, rifle, or shotgun; that does not have a fixed 10 or less round magazine and has restricted features or does not meet the minimum length requirements is considered an illegal assault weapon.

The current CA DOJ BOF reasoning is the "long gun" designation still taints the firearm as a weapon made from a rifle/shotgun due to it not being in the system as a "handgun".
^Firearm that is configured as a handgun gets run through AFS by CA LEO and gets a return that it is not a handgun but a long gun, gives the CA LEO reasonable suspicion that the firearm is a SBR/SBS (weapon made from a rifle/shotgun).
~AFAIK, the FPC/CGRF also concurs with the current CA DOJ BOF reasoning.

[marcusrn]

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