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  • #31
    Devilock04
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 2618

    Are you focusing on the target instead of the sights?

    Or maybe the rear sight instead of the front?

    If the gun has a rail, you can buy something like the Mantis dry fire system to tell you which way you are moving the gun when firing. This will give you basic ideas about what to correct.

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    • #32
      rodralig
      CGN Contributor
      • Apr 2016
      • 4262

      Originally posted by BillSmith
      FUD...

      Unless the OP is shooting Bullseye single-hand, this chart is moot...!

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      WEGC - Shooting at 10-yards VS 20-yards - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7mdbNZ4j9U

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      • #33
        IVC
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        • Jul 2010
        • 17594

        Originally posted by rodralig
        Unless the OP is shooting Bullseye single-hand, this chart is moot...!

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        And that lower left doesn't even seem to be connected to shooting. More like something they would teach kids at preschool these days.
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        • #34
          rodralig
          CGN Contributor
          • Apr 2016
          • 4262

          Originally posted by karamba
          Maybe I have special bullets that go around the corner?
          @OP - I would second those who recommend getting competent instruction...

          Good luck!!!



          Originally posted by IVC
          And that lower left doesn't even seem to be connected to shooting. More like something they would teach kids at preschool these days.
          #oof




          Originally posted by Devilock04
          If the gun has a rail, you can buy something like the Mantis dry fire system to tell you which way you are moving the gun when firing. This will give you basic ideas about what to correct.
          True! Focus on the direction that the gun moved during/on the trigger press.

          However that is where it ends... Should end...
          The diagnostics of the MantisX is based on the age-old cliche chart, which applies to one-handed Bullseye shooting. So much so that the Tactical Performance Center finally did an info-video on alternative diagnostics:







          Personally (have a Mantis since 2018) - with the risk of oversimplifying - I just look at where the gun moved, and just adjust in the next rep my grip/wrist while ensuring that the trigger goes straight back while maintaining acceptable alignment.



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          • #35
            FNGGlock
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2020
            • 1289

            99.99% of the time it is the shooter and not the pistol. OP, as stated above get some good instruction.

            Here is a very simple drill that is incredibly useful to understand what you are doing and also a great drill to practice trigger discipline.

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            • #36
              Harland Barricuda
              Banned
              • Sep 2023
              • 80

              It's not so much acquiring the skills that's the trouble, it's extremely easy to learn to shoot well. the main thing to watch out for is not to ingrain bad habits during your practice/training. The real challenge with shooting and the part that takes the most effort is maintaining your skill. Just a few months off the gun can re-develop a flinch. Obviously, like muscle memory, the more prior experience and training you've had before your hiatus, the faster it returns. The ideal is to minimize your refractory period, but not everyone can afford that, especially new shooters who never had the opportunity to stockpile munitions.

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              • #37
                Zenderfall
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2017
                • 600

                There’s something else I’ve noticed with a few people who shoot terrible:

                They grip the gun extremely tight, basically trying to choke the gun to death while pulling the trigger. The reasoning is they are trying to minimize the recoil by putting a death grip on the gun. What ends up happening, is as they grip, the gun shakes and so when the gun is fired, the bullet holes are all over the place.

                After about five minutes of this they complain that shooting is tiring. That’s when I figure out what they’re doing and correct their death grip.
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                • #38
                  Zenderfall
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2017
                  • 600

                  Originally posted by BillSmith
                  I have no idea where this image came from, but I have not seen any evidence of it to be true in any practical shooting session, and this includes single-hand bullseye, which I shoot often.
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                  • #39
                    Dr. Peter Venkman
                    Veteran Member
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 4899

                    Assuming sights are aligned when the trigger is being pressed, you are changing your grip pressure (typically going from light to squeezing) when pressing the trigger. Often there is also flinch with the whole hand and arm moving or the wrist deviating.

                    Best way to catch this is by filming yourself shooting in slow motion or shooting 50/50 drills (loaded chamber, no magazine in the gun, and two trigger presses). Lots of good info already posted in this thread.

                    Pistols are inherently harder to shoot than long guns due to the shooter only having two points of contact and often times the trigger weighs more than the gun.
                    Last edited by Dr. Peter Venkman; 09-24-2023, 3:56 PM.
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                    • #40
                      Epaphroditus
                      Veteran Member
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 4888

                      It is a difficult and learned skill to grip the handgun properly, loosely but not too loose (relaxed is the better term but no loose) and to pull the trigger without otherwise moving the gun. As quickly as one is able without breaking proper form.

                      The other thing is most people are wildly optimistic about handgun accuracy. While it's possible to shoot astonishingly small groups at distance - being able to reliably and quickly shoot a Mozambique drill at 10 yds is plenty for practical needs.

                      A Dicken drill is not bad but for "advanced" practice. Distance and cover help here. You have time to brace and aim.
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                      • #41
                        divingin
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jul 2015
                        • 2522

                        Originally posted by Epaphroditus
                        The other thing is most people are wildly optimistic about handgun accuracy. While it's possible to shoot astonishingly small groups at distance - being able to reliably and quickly shoot a Mozambique drill at 10 yds is plenty for practical needs.
                        Depends on what game you're playing. Mozambique would be a worthless exercise for a bullseye shooter for instance.

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                        • #42
                          Harland Barricuda
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2023
                          • 80

                          Originally posted by divingin
                          Depends on what game you're playing. Mozambique would be a worthless exercise for a bullseye shooter for instance.
                          practicing self defense and survival shooting with aspects like the mozambique drill take way more priority than bullseye target shooting, stand hunting, and things of that nature. training for bullseye shooting before getting your self defense fundamentals down is an *** backward way of doing things.

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                          • #43
                            Wordupmybrotha
                            From anotha motha
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Oct 2013
                            • 6965

                            Try shooting at 3yds.

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                            • #44
                              yacko
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2019
                              • 629

                              You're not 'Bad'.....

                              You're just drawn that way.

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                              • #45
                                arrix
                                Veteran Member
                                • May 2012
                                • 3956

                                Practice dry-firing at home. If you can pull the trigger without moving the front sight post, you're golden. Helps to have a hammer-fired gun for this. Or start with a smaller gun like a .22 to practice your aim and trigger pull.
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