Stabilizing a PDW with a sling

[PogoJack]

I would posit that a semi automatic version of an MP5, MCX Rattler, Scorpion Evo 2, or other PDW type pistol is of marginal self defense value over something like a Glock.

Do you agree or disagree?

IMO, a stabilizing brace did in fact make them more useful, but now that?s over (for now).

For those of us stuck with braceless pistols and who don?t want to SBR, that leaves either fitting Rambo-style, or a sling.

Here?s a few videos that show how to use a sling to stabilize a pistol.







Is this spitting into the wind or actually useful in your opinion?

[IVC]

You nailed it, a stock-less carbine (let's call a spade a spade) is not that useful because it lacks the primary benefit of the rifle/carbine/PCC (yes, I know, PCC is a carbine, but they are significantly different from other carbines to list them separately). It lacks the stock.

Sling can help, but why? It's still a solution in search of a problem. Keep those "handguns" as novelties and range toys (and to annoy antis), use correct tools for the job. There is a reason no agency uses pistols if they can have stock.

[sigstroker]

When HK developed the MP5K, they designed it to be used with a sling, full auto. Which is especially impressive considering it cycles at around 900 or 1000 rounds per minute. Find the old Navy SEALs movie.

[Djantlive]

For 9mm pcc, sling should work fine. Chambered in 556, lack of stock/brace makes precision shooting very difficult just like using a hand gun

[highpower]

I have a MP5 clone (MKE AP5) with a red dot. I find that using a sling makes it way more accurate than you would think for point and shoot exercises. Of course it's not a target gun and you are not going to get target grade groups out of it.

Back before Beijing Biden's ATF arbitrarily ruled against braces, I could easily hit targets out to 100 meters with my CZ Scorpion or AP5. Heck, even my Uzi (legally a carbine with a 16" barrel) and a terrible trigger can hit chest sized targets with boring regularity at that distance. Using a sling, I found that the while the longer range accuracy suffers a bit, it is not as bad as you would think.

Holding one of these out one handed and trying to hit anything is nearly impossible, so a two hand hold is pretty much mandatory. IMO, some sort of a RDS and a properly used sling will make one quite useable.

None of the civilian versions of sub-guns are going to make as good a self defense weapon as a well set pistol would be in most situations such as concealed carry or even a late night break in. That is why I only use my sub gun clones as range toys.

Having shot my share of actual submachine guns I can say that they wouldn't be all that great for those roles either.

Obviously, a stock of some kind will make any gun easier to control for better accuracy. That is why the Germans equipped their C96 Broomhandles and Artillery Lugers with accessory stocks. I find both my C96 and LP08 to decent enough at medium ranges with the main limitation being my 70 year old eyes.

I have a suppressed SBR AR, it is a joy to shoot compared to a AR set up as a pistol only and it is very accurate. I also have a SBR AK, not quite as much fun as the AR as the muzzle blast is fierce and as I am still waiting for the stamp for the can I bought, it doesn't get shot much until I can tame the roar.

[Spaceghost]

It's fairly well documented that the SAS pioneered this technique to fire their mp5's while wearing their mission mandatory gas masks.

[PogoJack]

Stabilizing a PDW with a sling

It's fairly well documented that the SAS pioneered this technique to fire their mp5's while wearing their mission mandatory gas masks.

Makes sense with a submachine gun.

When reduced to the civilian semi auto version, there is no advantage over a Glock 17.

[pohorsky]

Also when they use it, it's an offensive weapon and as a semi auto it's main benefits are gone, especially at self defense distances.